No business in the 4 gospels pertaining to the issue we were discussing....which was the message of grace as according to the appostle Paul....if you cannot see that...I have no words for you, continue on your prudent way, it does not upset me
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So, "...take up your cross and follow me" has nothing to do with Christianity? Do you realize telling someone to "continue on your prudent way" is a compliment? Do you know what prudent means? Or did you mean imprudent?
Yeah.. words of Jesus got nothing to do with Christianity.
You heard it here first!
I do not think it is very difficult to read what I said, or understand the context in which I said it.
Ok, you countered this foolishness....
Continue preaching that of which was not preached to you directly, it was written for you, but not about you....it does not matter what you say or think, you cannot change that.
What is it that you are saying? Scripture tells me that if I believe in him, I am saved.....are you saying this is not true?
Thats interesting rightlydivided. The way I see it is Paul, who wrote much if the new testament was specifically addressing Gentiles who were without the law, while all of Jesus disciples, well the majority of them were jews/israelites who were under the law.
This doesnt mean to disregard what Jesus said, but its just a difference audience.
This doesnt mean to disregard what Jesus said, but its just a difference audience.
I agree not to disregard what Jesus said....but you do not believe that Paul was specific in his message to the gentiles? A different message than what was given to those under the law?
Sorry im not quite understanding your question.
PAul was addressing the gentiles in many of his letters to the churches...the galatians, ephesians, corinthians, romans etc. He wrote many things explaining how to follow Jesus that someone who hadnt known God like the jewish/israelite people did could follow for example he tells the corinthians not to fornicate...well the israelites already knew they werent supposed to otherwise they could get stoned under their law. But for the corinthians that was their former way of life.. in book of acts they make a rule for the gentiles things that the israelites would find offensive if they kept practicisng them like not eating blood of things that were strangled, as they were not used to the stricter customs of the mosaic law. Which required specific rituals about eating meats. Also the gentiles did not celebrate the feasts like the israelites did.
Given the fact that Jesus and the deciples were preaching to the Jews under the law, do you believe the message of “saved by grace” for those that believe in Christ, was the same as Pauls message of grace preached unto the gentiles?
Yes well its saved by grace through faith. Faith in both respects to the finished work of Jesus Christ, and then God perpares us for good works to do them.
The only difference is the israelites kind of knew because they had been trained for centuries...on what God required of them to be holy, but the gentiles were not..because God hasnt sent any prophets to the gentiles until Jesus pretty much. jesus said I have come for the lost sheep of Israel, but he also said there were other sheep that were not part of the flock that he wanted to let in. john 10:16
So when Paul says this to the Corinthians, is this also applied to the Jews under the law? If it were the same message, yet a different audience?
1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.”
1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.”
In Matthew 10, Jesus sends out the twelve to preach the "gospel of the kingdom." What was this gospel message Jesus and His disciples were going around preaching? Was it the same gospel message Paul taught throughout his ministry as defined in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4?
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Is not this our gospel unto eternal salvation? Believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins? Of course. However, during the earthly ministry of Christ, the disciples had no clue about this gospel.
Luke 16
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Did you notice that? The disciples had no clue about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Why? God hid it from their minds unitl after it was accomplished.
So if it was hidden from them, how could the message be the same that was preached to the gentiles? As you said, same message, different audience?
Exactly! The gospel of the kingdom was to Israel concerning their promised kingdom where a Messiah would come and rule on the throne of David. What was kept in mystery form was the gospel that Paul taught. This gospel would not be revealed until after the resurrection. If Israel would have received this gospel after the resurrection, the earthly kingdom could have been ushered in, but they rejected it as a whole, so God chose Paul to take it to the Gentile world.
It is important for us Gentiles to know God's long term plans for Israel and we were gaffed into that plan because of Israel's rejection of their Messiah. Once the fullness of the Gentiles is come in, God will turn His attention to Israel once more to establish His promises.