Rightly divided

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preacher4truth said:
So you'd rather be in a congregation that doesn't hold you accountable, and you'd call that love. Being called out for it equals being unloving. Quite the opposite of the biblical mandate, but OK.
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preacher4truth said:
So you'd rather be in a congregation that doesn't hold you accountable, and you'd call that love. Being called out for it equals being unloving. Quite the opposite of the biblical mandate, but OK.
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It is not for the congregation to hold accountable what you are attempting to hold me accountable for....apparently sarcasm, so yes I would reiterate that you have not the right to embarrass or puff yourself up in a congregation involving family members and brothers in Christ without great discernment....an attribute I am hesitant to say that you have
 
Rightlydivided said:
It is not for the congregation to hold accountable what you are attempting to hold me accountable for....apparently sarcasm, so yes I would reiterate that you have not the right to embarrass or puff yourself up in a congregation involving family members and brothers in Christ without great discernment....an attribute I am hesitant to say that you have
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I’m referring to your suggestion of treating me as a nonbeliever until I conform to your idea of a believer.....that is a scary thought based on the criteria you are using to take such an action
 
Rightlydivided said:
Effective and cleansing for who? Following Matthew, applying it to the finished work of the cross, is heiracy....it makes Christ’s gift to us void...it was written for the lost sheep of Israel, and applied to a people under the law....why would Jesus want you live as though he did not die for you?
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I see your context and basically agree mostly, but ignoring the gospels would mean ignoring the Olivet discourse which is a key to Revelation. The geneology of the Messiah. Then there are the great parables that teach us about God's character, like the prodigal son......tho he strayed to the pig pen he was still welcome in the Father's home, the lesson being that if God is your FATHER, you can't ever NOT be His son. (once saved, always saved) Jesus was dropping bread crumbs of hope and a new covenant of grace if the Jews would follow it. WE need the gospels for HISTORY also as they are the link for Gentiles and Jews to God's history with man.

And the word is HERESY, not heiracy. And not all bad teaching is heresy, a good part could be called apostasy. Just so ya know.
 
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Rightlydivided said:
It is not for the congregation to hold accountable what you are attempting to hold me accountable for....apparently sarcasm, so yes I would reiterate that you have not the right to embarrass or puff yourself up in a congregation involving family members and brothers in Christ without great discernment....an attribute I am hesitant to say that you have
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No, you're most definitely accountable to your local congregation concerning your behavior. Your excuse of sarcasm and name calling are not justified, they are unChistian my brother.

Do you attend church, have a church home? Lone wolf? You don't appear to have a solid sound understanding of Scripture, you're dismissal of accountability is only one hint.
 
Rightlydivided said:
I’m referring to your suggestion of treating me as a nonbeliever until I conform to your idea of a believer.....that is a scary thought based on the criteria you are using to take such an action
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Hence my response “thank god I am not part of your congregation”
 
Rightlydivided said:
I’m referring to your suggestion of treating me as a nonbeliever until I conform to your idea of a believer.....that is a scary thought based on the criteria you are using to take such an action
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Such treatment is completely Biblical, though I am not attempting to treat you as if you're not a brother. I believe what some are doing here is making an attempt to hold you accountable, and show you your position is not all that Biblically sound. You should heed such advice, my brother.
 
GraceAndTruth said:
I see your context and basically agree mostly, but ignoring the gospels would mean ignoring the Olivet discourse which is a key to Revelation. The geneology of the Messiah. Then there are the great parables that teach us about God's character, like the prodigal son......tho he strayed to the pig pen he was still welcome in the Father's home, the lesson being that if God is your FATHER, you can't ever NOT be His son. (once saved, always saved) Jesus was dropping bread crumbs of hope and a new covenant of grace if the Jews would follow it. WE need the gospels for HISTORY also as they are the link for Gentiles and Jews to God's history with man.

And the word is HERESY, not heiracy. And not all bad teaching is heresy, a good part could be called apostasy. Just so ya know.
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Out of all the responses I have received, you win for being the most understanding, although I have clarified that all scripture is to be studied and applied where appropriate, it was never my intention that anyone think I meant to not study....every word of the Bible is inspired by god and I believe should be studied in context....thank you for the correction of my spelling....I have not been proof reading my post and my thumbs are quite large😬
 
Never mind the lunacy of "christian" tyrants. Who are they to judge the servant of another? What do they have that was not give to them? Do they not see their own "wretched man" in themselves?

Then there are the "christian-ettes". childish in their doctrines and happy to be just be one who can talk "christian-ese". Silly prattlers who never edify.........the snowflakes of theology.

Yet, it is always my hope that they will become warriors for Christ, using the sword of the Lord with all the armor of God.
 
preacher4truth said:
Such treatment is completely Biblical, though I am not attempting to treat you as if you're not a brother. I believe what some are doing here is making an attempt to hold you accountable, and show you your position is not all that Biblically sound. You should heed such advice, my brother.
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I have been pleasantly surprised in the response to my position, but thank you, I typically allow the spirit to move my position through prayer as I study, I’ve never been much for simply heeding advice because I may be out numbered, or feel as though I’m not with the in crowd, especially when it pertains to written word of god.
 
GraceAndTruth said:
Never mind the lunacy of "christian" tyrants. Who are they to judge the servant of another? What do they have that was not give to them? Do they not see their own "wretched man" in themselves?

Then there are the "christian-ettes". childish in their doctrines and happy to be just be one who can talk "christian-ese". Silly prattlers who never edify.........the snowflakes of theology.

Yet, it is always my hope that they will become warriors for Christ, using the sword of the Lord with all the armor of God.
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My hero, I was praying for an appropriate response and your post showed up just in time.
 
GraceAndTruth said:
Never mind the lunacy of "christian" tyrants. Who are they to judge the servant of another? What do they have that was not give to them? Do they not see their own "wretched man" in themselves?

Then there are the "christian-ettes". childish in their doctrines and happy to be just be one who can talk "christian-ese". Silly prattlers who never edify.........the snowflakes of theology.

Yet, it is always my hope that they will become warriors for Christ, using the sword of the Lord with all the armor of God.
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O man wasn't that a lovely thing to say... gees...
 
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As for who is making references to whom, I do not know, but when it comes to passing on the teaching of theWord, it is not judging, simply sharing, dialoguing and discussion of the Bible, the theme of this forum. If and when it dos apply to anyone that is not the fault of the poster. As regards to sarcasm and a lot of lol's I shy away from both, I do not believe they have a place in serious discussion of the Bible by people who believe it is the true Word of God……..I think this is a sage approach for myself.
 
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Embankment said:
I agree!
The definition of love is to tolerate when it is not deserved & that is exactly what Jesus does with us!
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We are not members of he Body if we are not repented……. Love does not tolerate sin after one claimss to believe, not for long. Of course Love tolerates our failings always, but do not mistake God's Love for some weakling constantly giving in to a child who says he is sorry yet lives in sin, for this cannot be. Love is Truth.
 
JaumeJ said:
We are not members of he Body if we are not repented……. Love does not tolerate sin after one claimss to believe, not for long. Of course Love tolerates our failings always, but do not mistake God's Love for some weakling constantly giving in to a child who says he is sorry yet lives in sin, for this cannot be. Love is Truth.
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We all live in sin every minute of every day. It is or nature. Jesus was the only sinless person to walk the earth. That is why he is the only person who could be a sacrifice for the worlds sin.
 
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Embankment said:
We all live in sin every minute of every day. It is or nature. Jesus was the only sinless person to walk the earth. That is why he is the only person who could be a sacrifice for the worlds sin.
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No, we do not. We do fail on occasion but we do not live in willful sin. The reference here is the teaching that when a brother is misbehaving even to the point of isn and he ahs been advised by the brethren to conform to the teaching of Jesus and he does not, he is to be treated as a non-believer until he comes around. Now he should also be taken before the deemed elders of the congregation also.............read it in the Word, do not take my word for it. Who am I, but at the same time do not say Love is domething It is not because God is Love.
 
JaumeJ said:
No, we do not. We do fail on occasion but we do not live in willful sin. The reference here is the teaching that when a brother is misbehaving even to the point of isn and he ahs been advised by the brethren to conform to the teaching of Jesus and he does not, he is to be treated as a non-believer until he comes around. Now he should also be taken before the deemed elders of the congregation also.............read it in the Word, do not take my word for it. Who am I, but at the same time do not say Love is domething It is not because God is Love.
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I suppose that God wasted his time using Jesus as the finale sacrifice. As great as you are...... maybe he should have waited 2000 years?
 
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