Replacement Theology

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Replacement Theology is heretics

I wonder if you also think I am a bad heretic Mr. Clay.

To me replacement theology means that we replace Jesus with something else.
I believe in one kingdom of Jesus that has lived under two covenants, all only under Jesus.
One kingdom can never replace itself, there can only be replacement if it is two.

In Genesis 12:3 God says to Abram:
"I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now all families of the earth are blessed through Jesus, the seed of Abraham.
It is Jesus who we must bless.
The Zionist who says we must bless modern "Israel" and teaches us to expect blessing for that is a very bad and naught replacement theologian.
He has replaced Jesus with a modern day political construct.
 
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I wonder if you also think I am a bad heretic Mr. Clay.

To me replacement theology means that we replace Jesus with something else.
I believe in one kingdom of Jesus that has lived under two covenants, all only under Jesus.
One kingdom can never replace itself, there can only be replacement if it is two.

In Genesis 12:3 God says to Abram:
"I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now all families of the earth are blessed through Jesus, the seed of Abraham.
It is Jesus who we must bless.
The Zionist who says we must bless modern "Israel" and teaches us to expect blessing for that is a very bad and naught replacement theologian.
He has replaced Jesus with a modern day political construct.

Beekeeper, please help me to understand what're saying? Are we discussing kingdom or covenant or something else?
 
Beekeeper, please help me to understand what're saying? Are we discussing kingdom or covenant or something else?
Sorry for that.
Two covenants means Old Testament and New Testament.
One kingdom means Jesus is King all the way.
 
Sorry for that.
Two covenants means Old Testament and New Testament.
One kingdom means Jesus is King all the way.

Whilst, there are many covenants, how do we actually sit down and discuss?

There are only 2 kingdoms. Not sure about the one kingdom you're talking about?
 
I agree with that.
Certainly God inspired the prophecy and the 144,000 from the 12 tribes.
It just seems to me that there have been people who meant well and influenced my life for the best who might not have all the answers to fill in the blanks.
When they've been dogmatic as to the blanks, as if their theories are "Thus saith the Lord", when they are but opinions confined to their box..... I look for other answers realizing none of us know it all.

This is especially speculative considering who began the movement that has enriched billionaires, none of whom love our Lord or contribute to the furtherance of His Kingdom.
See what I mean?

I will look at Amir Tsarfati's sermons.
Please do. By the way, there are plenty of multi millionaire Christians who rip off the body of Christ to make themselves rich. And Israel will certainly have a role in God's kingdom. Jerusalem is where it begins, with Jesus standing on the Mount of Olives. Israel will also suffer terribly during the tribulation and for the same reasons as Israel suffered in the OT. This time, Lord Jesus Himself intervenes to save Israel from her enemies. I don't intend to be here to witness Israel's tribulation.
 
You said before: I realize that the majority of Christendom embraces the idea that the ethnic Jews are the chosen people.
It is not correct to say the MAJORITY of DENOMINATIONS believe this, the Catholics do not, The Orthodox do not, Lutherans certainly do not. The founder of the Lutheran Church, Martin Luther, was himself an anti-Semite, certainly did not. This is why these groups were not afraid to persecute the Jews but to execute them by fire and sword They did the same to the (non-Catholic) "anabaptists" who, resisted the genocidal wish of the Pope and Martin Luther to exterminate both the Jews and the Anabaptists.

Why would an ethnic Jew be singled out by God as somehow different, when Galatians clearly says there is no difference in people?!
Because, the apostle says that, Despite their rebellion and unbelief, Paul said, God has not completely cast them off in that he still has a particular love for them as Abraham's descendants and still longs for them to reunite with Him in the New Covenant:

1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. 2For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge.… (Romans 10:1)
According to prophecy, a great many Jews WILL be saved in the "latter days" and play an role in the last act of God's redemptive plan:
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob (Romans 11:25-26)


Thank you for having a go.

There is a reference to Isaiah 59:20 in Romans 11:26.
In Isaiah 59:20 it reads:
"And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord."

The commentaries in Bible Hub predict this as an event that is way into the future.
After reading Isaiah 59 15-20, I think you will agree with me that Isaiah is talking about Jesus coming the first time.
Without good reason, why should we assume that Isaiah is going to leap so far over the most important event of the Old Testament?
I think the reason we find these futuristic interpretations is that Bible Hub favors commentaries that are favorable to the traditions of Rabbinic Judaism.
Judaism does not like references to the first coming of Christ, because the Talmud teaches that Jesus is currently boiling in excrement.
All old Testament references to Jesus in Rabbinic tradition are automatically attributed to their future messiah, but for us they can be Christianized as the second coming of Christ.
References to "the latter days" are not in the book of Isaiah, but other prophets use them.
They are not reasonable excuses to push prophesies way into the future, because the Old Testament also has "latter days".
Many of the prophets in the OT also lived shortly before and during the Babylonian captivity, so they had good reason to speak to the captives about the restoration of Jerusalem.
All this is fulfilled in the second temple age.
 
Thank you for having a go Jimi.

There is a reference to Isaiah 59:20 in Romans 11:26.
In Isaiah 59:20 it reads:
"And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord."

The commentaries in Bible Hub predict this as an event that is way into the future.
After reading Isaiah 59 15-20, I think you will agree with me that Isaiah is talking about Jesus coming the first time.
Without good reason, why should we assume that Isaiah is going to leap so far over the most important event of the Old Testament?
I think the reason we find these futuristic interpretations is that Bible Hub favors commentaries that are favorable to the traditions of Rabbinic Judaism.
Judaism does not like references to the first coming of Christ, because the Talmud teaches that Jesus is currently boiling in excrement.
All old Testament references to Jesus in Rabbinic tradition are automatically attributed to their future messiah, but for us they can be Christianized as the second coming of Christ.
References to "the latter days" are not in the book of Isaiah, but other prophets use them.
They are not reasonable excuses to push prophesies way into the future, because the Old Testament also has "latter days".
Many of the prophets in the OT also lived shortly before and during the Babylonian captivity, so they had good reason to speak to the captives about the restoration of Jerusalem.
All this is fulfilled in the second temple age.
 
Being one of God's people was obviously not just a matter of faith because they had to obey his voice and do what he said. Faith alone is not the central theme of the bible. Obeying God's voice is.
Genesis 15: 3 - 6
And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

John 6:27 - 29
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
Genesis 15: 3 - 6
And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

John 6:27 - 29
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

I am with you there Charles.
Faith alone IS the central theme.
We are connected to the kingdom by faith, and are fully dependent Christ's mercy for our pathetic attempts at obedience.
Hebrews 10:38 "the just shall live by faith".

Genesis 15:5 "And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be."

This has relevance to our thread.
Is this prophesy about the about the physical descendants of Abraham?
Is it about the redeemed in Christ from every nation?
Clue-Galatians 3:16, also Galatians 3:29.
 
Genesis 15: 3 - 6
And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

John 6:27 - 29
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Abraham was declared righteous because of his faith, but he was sealed by his obedience to the command to be circumcised.

Jesus said, not to believe on him, but to believe into (eis) him. The Greek word eis means into. In other words, out of the old man into the new man. That is not possible to do without obeying his voice.
 
Abraham was declared righteous because of his faith, but he was sealed by his obedience to the command to be circumcised.

Jesus said, not to believe on him, but to believe into (eis) him. The Greek word eis means into. In other words, out of the old man into the new man. That is not possible to do without obeying his voice.
I'm not arguing against obedience. But the focus should be faith, or the aim becomes works.

Romans 2:25 - 29
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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I have been confronted with this lie before, ALL lies can be proven to be nothing more then lies -- by the WORD of God.

Jeremiah 31

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:


36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Do you see, can you read??

God is unequivocally stating, if the sun, moon, stars the waves of the sea can end and if the heaven can be measured then and ONLY then would I ------- I will also cast off all the seed of Israel!!!

Replacement theology is a LIE!

all 12 tribes, physically exist to day as flesh and blood humans and God knows every last one by name.

pass this on
 

Jacob prohesied that the seed of Israel (Ephraim) would become a fullness of nations. He obviously wasn't speaking of the natural seed, but was looking forward through his adopted half-Egyptian son, whom he made inheritor of the promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to the adopted spiritual seed out of every tongue, tribe and nation that would inherit all things in Christ.

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know: he [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19
 
Jacob prohesied that the seed of Israel (Ephraim) would become a fullness of nations. He obviously wasn't speaking of the natural seed, but was looking forward through his adopted half-Egyptian son, whom he made inheritor of the promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to the adopted spiritual seed out of every tongue, tribe and nation that would inherit all things in Christ.

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know: he [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19

This is the fullness of gentiles that Paul wrote about, the vast multitude that no man can number, that would complete the mystery of God, ie, the body of Christ and living temple of God, in fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham to make his seed as the stars of heaven in number.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Romans 11:25
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:26-27
Once the fullness of gentiles comes into the temple, the 7th trumpet will blow and Christ will return with his resurrected people, and thus all Israel will be saved

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 10:7
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:52
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
 
Barber

I have been confronted with this lie before, ALL lies can be proven to be nothing more then lies -- by the WORD of God.

Jeremiah 31

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:


36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Do you see, can you read??

God is unequivocally stating, if the sun, moon, stars the waves of the sea can end and if the heaven can be measured then and ONLY then would I ------- I will also cast off all the seed of Israel!!!

Replacement theology is a LIE!

all 12 tribes, physically exist to day as flesh and blood humans and God knows every last one by name.

pass this on

Part of Jeremiah 31 is re-quoted in Hebrews 8.
If you study both chapters you will see the the seed of Israel continues, but not in the way you think.

There is no place on earth where the king of Israel does not now reign.
Luke 16:16