I never heard of "the kindom of Christ." Could you please explain? Scriptures given from the bible will be helpful, especially we are bible believer. Anything not from the bible comes from Satan.
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I never heard of "the kindom of Christ." Could you please explain? Scriptures given from the bible will be helpful, especially we are bible believer. Anything not from the bible comes from Satan.
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Beekeeper, what do you mean by
?"the true kingdom of Israel is the kingdom of Christ."
If you want to ask someone a question about their post, quote their post!Beekeeper, what do you mean by
"the true kingdom of Israel is the kingdom of Christ."
You said before: I realize that the majority of Christendom embraces the idea that the ethnic Jews are the chosen people.
It is not correct to say the MAJORITY of DENOMINATIONS believe this, the Catholics do not, The Orthodox do not, Lutherans certainly do not. The founder of the Lutheran Church, Martin Luther, was himself an anti-Semite, certainly did not. This is why these groups were not afraid to persecute the Jews but to execute them by fire and sword They did the same to the (non-Catholic) "anabaptists" who, resisted the genocidal wish of the Pope and Martin Luther to exterminate both the Jews and the Anabaptists.
Why would an ethnic Jew be singled out by God as somehow different, when Galatians clearly says there is no difference in people?!
Because, the apostle says that, Despite their rebellion and unbelief, Paul said, God has not completely cast them off in that he still has a particular love for them as Abraham's descendants and still longs for them to reunite with Him in the New Covenant:
1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. 2For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge.… (Romans 10:1)
According to prophecy, a great many Jews WILL be saved in the "latter days" and play an role in the last act of God's redemptive plan:
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob (Romans 11:25-26)
The New Testament teaches that there are only two kinds of people, children of God (saved) and children of the Devil. (lost) BTW, I am not in any way antisemitic. We are "chosen" when we are born again anyway. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Any thoughts?
Well, all those who are found to be "in Christ are chosen." God's will is that no one should perish.
It is not correct to say the MAJORITY of DENOMINATIONS believe this, the Catholics do not, The Orthodox do not, Lutherans certainly do not. The founder of the Lutheran Church, Martin Luther, was himself an anti-Semite, certainly did not. This is why these groups were not afraid to persecute the Jews but to execute them by fire and sword They did the same to the (non-Catholic) "anabaptists" who, resisted the genocidal wish of the Pope and Martin Luther to exterminate both the Jews and the Anabaptists.
Why would an ethnic Jew be singled out by God as somehow different, when Galatians clearly says there is no difference in people?!
Because, the apostle says that, Despite their rebellion and unbelief, Paul said, God has not completely cast them off in that he still has a particular love for them as Abraham's descendants and still longs for them to reunite with Him in the New Covenant:
1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. 2For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge.… (Romans 10:1)
According to prophecy, a great many Jews WILL be saved in the "latter days" and play an role in the last act of God's redemptive plan:
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob (Romans 11:25-26)
The New Testament teaches that there are only two kinds of people, children of God (saved) and children of the Devil. (lost) BTW, I am not in any way antisemitic. We are "chosen" when we are born again anyway. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Any thoughts?
Well, all those who are found to be "in Christ are chosen." God's will is that no one should perish.
Being one of God's people was obviously not just a matter of faith because they had to obey his voice and do what he said. Faith alone is not the central theme of the bible. Obeying God's voice is.
Beekeeper, what do you mean by
"the true kingdom of Israel is the kingdom of Christ."
Isaiah 11 has a prediction of the kingdom of Christ:
"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."
Jesus is called a "root of Jesse" because He is the true king of true Israel born in the line of David.
The animals are different kinds of people who are able to unite in Christ.
The Vine consists of the original Believers. They were not removed but the new Gentile Believers were merely grafted into the same existing Vine with the Original Believers.
That is far from replacement. That is adding onto something already established and unchanging.
You know He is not changing. Asking Him to tell me He loves me just as much as He loves that Jewish person. So shows me this tiny tree that had .. I don't know to explain this but that tree had so many branches and He placed it between us. Oh I was expecting "I love you just as much". But no never said that said "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Yeah He is not Changing. There are original branches that were there of the vine and its not me I was grafted in. But no one ..no one can tell what was original vs grafted in. HAHA .. always gets me how He talks. This..oh man I wish happened all the time but to give you a idea only once in 64 years. So no matter what I think or believe they are His people and He made promises to them that He will keep and I do not always agree with many things they do but were one family. Yes anyone on this planet that does not know Yeshua as lord and savoir will not get in. Being Jewish does not get you in. Being blind if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains.
So replaced? Produce to what UK 1.5 billion 2024 I believe. Yeah that was written. Becoming a nation in a day that is written them coming from all over the world back to the land He gave them. Hello we that GOD put you and me here in this time.. not by chance nto some mistake.. GOD put you here in this time the last days.. most if not all of GOD wanted to be here.. you are. You open that bible and.. now look up.. its alive your witnessing it unfold before you eyes. I keep hearing reading about so many coming to Christ like never before. Yes the enemy is trying very hard to kill steal and destroy but who is your Father? Yeah the great I AM and what is to hard for the lord.. as Isaac was we are the Children of promise. One Body.. Christ is the head.. to Him we bow we give all everything.... we say use me lord here I am your will be done.. the song.. I was blind but now I see.. ALL PRAISE to Christ..
Listen to Amir Tsarfati. He is completely aware of the failing of Jews, the failings of nation of Israel but he also knows that God has not finished with them. He preaches Christ.
John Hagee is indeed a false teacher. There is no separate salvation for the Jews just because they are Jews. That does not mean that Israel is not still God's nation or that there is no place in God's purpose for the Jews still.
I've heard a LOT of speculation since my teens about this issue and none of the so called experts could even define their own terms in their own statements.
The least these mega church pastors could do is define exactly who they are talking about. .Instead all I heard was the utmost confidence and zeal of blessing the Jews, blessing the seed of Abraham. The preaching of Some smack of idolatry of a people group occupying the land mass
Why don't these guys exalt the true SEED of Abraham and get thousands of soul winners to evangelize Israel, establish true NT churches everywhere and show us their fruit?
I agree with that.
Certainly God inspired the prophecy and the 144,000 from the 12 tribes.
It just seems to me that there have been people who meant well and influenced my life for the best who might not have all the answers to fill in the blanks.
When they've been dogmatic as to the blanks, as if their theories are "Thus saith the Lord", when they are but opinions confined to their box..... I look for other answers realizing none of us know it all.
This is especially speculative considering who began the movement that has enriched billionaires, none of whom love our Lord or contribute to the furtherance of His Kingdom.
See what I mean?
I will look at Amir Tsarfati's sermons.