Replacement Theology

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You are not circumspect , nor serious about learning, by omitting verses, then diverting into ascribing tradition to someone taking you to school.
How does one eat an elephant?
Little bit by little bit.
If I did not "omit verses" I would have to copy out the entire Bible.
By all means bring to my mind the critical verse that I should have noticed.
By all means take me to school, but give me a bite size question that I can realistically answer.

Allow me to get you started.

Who does the Bible say are the children of Abraham?
 

This will be hard to watch
My friend, Ive watched Israel in the news all my life and occasionally listened to their preachers. From the time the globalist billionaires established it to now, I have yet to see the 144,000 or the 7,000. I would not be surprised if there aren't 7000 believers in Christ in that land. I hope that there are more than that in the borders of every nation on earth.


I would love to hear the Jewish teachers really emphasize the Seed (singular) of Abraham.
Don't them seem to emphasize the seeds (plural) an awful lot?
 
You do not have to agree with me on Rom 11:26.
I presented 3 different views, and you were at liberty to present a fourth if you wished.
So it all hinges on you and I having an argument about Palestine now?
Really! If I was not such a trusting type I would have thought that you have a doctrine that cannot survive the test of reason and scripture.

Anyway, as they say fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

I am an Australian beekeeper, but the son of an immigrant.
My father was born in Palestine in 1933, and remembers the British Mandate.
My Grandparents were born in Palestine and remembered the Ottoman times.
My Grandmother was born in 1898.
Their ancestry was German, so they were Palestinians in the same sense that I now am an Australian.
The village that they lived in looks over the valley of Jezreel, and is now near the Ben Gurion airport.
The land that they lived in was called Palestine all over the world, and marked that way on every map, just as it has ever since the Crusaders left.
My "more reliable sources" are the witness testimonies of old people who WERE THERE. I have had the privilege of being able to listen to these people, but you are free to brush it all aside if smugness and ignorance are things that you value.

The Israelis did not come looking for peace, but with an army to have war and to get land.
Massacres against Arabs began after 1919, and increased until the 1945 war erupted.
My relatives were 'prisoners of war" under the British Mandate, and so had some protection for a time.
When the news of the British withdrawal was out, they were in trouble.
My fathers uncle was considered mayor of the village and was shot in the head by Jewish soldiers after refusing to sell the village for a ridiculously low price.
Two small boys were tortured to death in public by Jewish soldiers to "encourage" the people to leave.
A couple was shot in their home and a threat was issued to all that they would suffer the same fate if they did not go.
When they evacuated they had only one day to get to the ships provided by the British with what they could carry.
The fate of the Arab Palestinians was infinitely worse than theirs.
There used to be many Christians in the land too, and they did not suffer violence from the Muslims.
They were heavily persecuted by the Israelis.
The newcomers had a habit of bulldozing out anything that looks "Arab", so that they could tell the next immigrants that the land was empty. Many ancient artifacts suffered that fate, including the house of Jeremiah, which had been lovingly preserved both by Crusaders and Arabs.
They were complete foreigners, with no understanding or connection to the land.
Their "wailing wall" is not the remains of Herod's temple, but of a Roman fortress.

You wasted a lot of space with that rave about a Palestinian state.
People of any land are not defined by what sort of government they have.
Australians and Americans like to think they have a history too, yet both have been around for a much shorter time than the Palestinians.

Your pro Muslim propaganda and half truths do not impress me. Hamas and Islamic Jihad love people like you, even while they laugh at you. "Palestinians" have a true name. They are Arabs.
 
How does one eat an elephant?
Little bit by little bit.
If I did not "omit verses" I would have to copy out the entire Bible.
By all means bring to my mind the critical verse that I should have noticed.
By all means take me to school, but give me a bite size question that I can realistically answer.

Allow me to get you started.

Who does the Bible say are the children of Abraham?
You should stick to keeping bees. You twist God's word to suit your prejudices and ignore anything that contradicts your position.
 
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Your pro Muslim propaganda and half truths do not impress me. Hamas and Islamic Jihad love people like you, even while they laugh at you. "Palestinians" have a true name. They are Arabs.

I like that ABBA song "The Winner Takes it All".
It reminds me that the winner in spiritual reality is often the looser.
So you win the ego battle with the Palestine stuff.
My only point is that you do not have Romans 9-11 as one of your weapons, because that is all about SALVATION.
In fact I dare say you don't have the entire Bible as your weapon, and that means God.
Don't worry, it is only God.
You have a lot of other stuff.
We could talk about the boxing next, but first:
Who does the Bible call the children of Abraham?
 
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You should stick to keeping bees. You twist God's word to suit your prejudices and ignore anything that contradicts your position.

I keep bees for a living, but I also do a lot of gardening.
A grafted branch can't survive if it is not sufficiently connected to the root.
God is a spirit and no man can look on Him and live.
He is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
We can call Him our Father through Jesus, without having been conceived by Him.
What about Abraham Isaac and Jacob?
Are you a child of Jacob?
 
Since there are no Palestinians, it's a bit tricky to treat them as other than the followers of a mass murdering paedophile. I have nothing against individual Muslims that do not seek to cut off my head and/or impose Sharia law on the place I live. I've met a few who are decent and caring people. The Ahmadi sect is non violent.

I despise Muslim culture with every fibre of my being. Muslims worship a false god and place Jesus as inferior to a wicked warlord who murdered, lied, and raped his way to an empire.

Jesus said to love our enemies. I would do harm to no one except to defend myself or my family.

Your ignorance of the so called Palestinian cause is pathetic.

Not true. God gave the land to Abraham and to Israel.

And the King of Israel has no claim on it?
 
I like that ABBA song "The Winner Takes it All".
It reminds me that the winner in spiritual reality is often the looser.
So you win the ego battle with the Palestine stuff.
My only point is that you do not have Romans 9-11 as one of your weapons, because that is all about SALVATION.
In fact I dare say you don't have the entire Bible as your weapon, and that means God.
Don't worry, it is only God.
You have a lot of other stuff.
We could talk about the boxing next, but first:
Who does the Bible call the children of Abraham?
I'm 74 and life is too short to argue with you. You were wrong about Palestine. You are wrong about Israel. I did not want to point score with Palestine, only to show that you are not nearly as good an historian as you think you are.
 
My friend, Ive watched Israel in the news all my life and occasionally listened to their preachers. From the time the globalist billionaires established it to now, I have yet to see the 144,000 or the 7,000. I would not be surprised if there aren't 7000 believers in Christ in that land. I hope that there are more than that in the borders of every nation on earth.


I would love to hear the Jewish teachers really emphasize the Seed (singular) of Abraham.
Don't them seem to emphasize the seeds (plural) an awful lot?
If you are serious, listen to Amir Tsarfati. He is Jewish, born in Israel and a born again Christian. According to recent surveys, there are around 30,000 believers in Israel.

If you had any insight at all, you would know that the 144,000 are chosen in the end times, during the tribulation period. We have not seen the two witnesses either. And I won't, because Lord Jesus will take me out of here before then.
 
I'm 74 and life is too short to argue with you. You were wrong about Palestine. You are wrong about Israel. I did not want to point score with Palestine, only to show that you are not nearly as good an historian as you think you are.

I am pleased to hear that.

Attention spans are short these days, and it takes a lot to keep people focused on the Bible.
I will continue to ask the annoying questions, and stay relevant.

I am surprised I got so few meaningful bites on Romans 11.
I thought I was being quite click-baity when I attributed the Isaiah 59:20 "Redeemer" to Christ in His first coming.

I am 57 years young, and still outstandingly immature for my age.

Jesus would not have saved me if He wanted all you people to stay comfortable thinking He has two kingdoms.

I agree that it is possible to have a church that is separate from the Israel of God,
but the only way it can be done is to exclude Jesus.
 
If you are serious, listen to Amir Tsarfati. He is Jewish, born in Israel and a born again Christian. According to recent surveys, there are around 30,000 believers in Israel.

If you had any insight at all, you would know that the 144,000 are chosen in the end times, during the tribulation period. We have not seen the two witnesses either. And I won't, because Lord Jesus will take me out of here before then.


Read my previous posts and answer those questions oh insightful one. I have yet to hear a pastor explain those to me.
 
Another Muslim

You too Mr. Clay?
Well despite your Muslim tendencies, I still consider you an excellent Biblical swordsman regarding my Abraham question.
I have asked the question often, because it gives me sadistic satisfaction to see how our two kingdom believers avoid it.
The question is:

Who does the Bible call the children of Abraham?

I hope you don't mind my pasting in your answer from a previous conversation:

Collossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:38 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Mathew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
 
I keep bees for a living, but I also do a lot of gardening.
A grafted branch can't survive if it is not sufficiently connected to the root.
God is a spirit and no man can look on Him and live.
He is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
We can call Him our Father through Jesus, without having been conceived by Him.
What about Abraham Isaac and Jacob?
Are you a child of Jacob?

He's a antinomian, dont pa
You too Mr. Clay?
Well despite your Muslim tendencies, I still consider you an excellent Biblical swordsman regarding my Abraham question.
I have asked the question often, because it gives me sadistic satisfaction to see how our two kingdom believers avoid it.
The question is:

Who does the Bible call the children of Abraham?

I hope you don't mind my pasting in your answer from a previous conversation:

Collossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:38 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Mathew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Who are you addressing this question to? A Jew or a Gentile? And also the time period?
 
My friend, Ive watched Israel in the news all my life and occasionally listened to their preachers. From the time the globalist billionaires established it to now, I have yet to see the 144,000 or the 7,000. I would not be surprised if there aren't 7000 believers in Christ in that land. I hope that there are more than that in the borders of every nation on earth.


I would love to hear the Jewish teachers really emphasize the Seed (singular) of Abraham.
Don't them seem to emphasize the seeds (plural) an awful lot?

Jonathan Cann? I dont trust him, I read my bible better
 
Jonathan Cann? I dont trust him, I read my bible better

Yes, that's good to hear.
I searched his salvation messages with various key terms to see what he believes and still can't find a clear gospel presentation. I'm not trying to be critical because I really hope he is a voice that's leading people to Christ. I might just be having a difficult time .
 
I don’t believe in premill. Does that make me a hater of Jews? Since when is disagreeing with belief the equivalent of hating someone? Perhaps when political correctness and woke culture took over?
 
Yes, that's good to hear.
I searched his salvation messages with various key terms to see what he believes and still can't find a clear gospel presentation. I'm not trying to be critical because I really hope he is a voice that's leading people to Christ. I might just be having a difficult time .

He's a false prophet
 
I don’t believe in premill. Does that make me a hater of Jews? Since when is disagreeing with belief the equivalent of hating someone? Perhaps when political correctness and woke culture took over?

No, you can not be charged with causing a holocaust on the grounds of your belief.
Weaponizing the accusation of antisemitism against Christians for believing in one kingdom of Christ is as hypocritical as calling us "replacement theologians".
We are the least racist people on earth.
It is not us who seeks to divide Christs kingdom into two on the grounds of race.
 
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