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eternally-gratefull
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Amen, as paul said, the command was revived and I died,some people go to great lengths to avoid seeing the Scripture testify of Him
we are not alive according to any part of the law
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we are not alive according to any part of the law
So are you saying that believers in Christ are the chosen peculiar nation?
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eternally-gratefull
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For the record
the book of Romans was written to the Roman church. Which included Jew and gentile alike
the book of 1 peter was written to Jews, and Jews alone
trying to compair them is like trying to compare apples and oranges,
the book of Romans was written to the Roman church. Which included Jew and gentile alike
the book of 1 peter was written to Jews, and Jews alone
trying to compair them is like trying to compare apples and oranges,
Does that mean that we gentile believers aren’t lively stones?
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
their tombs were in Jerusalem? or they walked the 600 miles to get there?
Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
(Matthew 27:51-53)
interesting; that would put about 3 months of travel right in the middle verse 53, between 'coming out of the graves' and 'they went into the holy city' -- i.e. they didn't show up until after Pentecost??altho i guess you could insert a miraculous teleportation into the text.
i've always looked at this passage and thought that the people who saw these resurrected saints recognized them -- i.e. they were people they knew before they had died. it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that someone just walks up to you and says 'hey i'm resurrected king Josiah' or something or 'hey i'm a resurrected Ninevite from 700 years before you were born' and you would not have any doubts or be suspecting something about being filled with new wine. but if someone who you personally knew appeared, you would know immediately that they had been raised, when you realized you weren't hallucinating yourself.
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eternally-gratefull
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Plus we need to remember, like Lazarus, these people ended up dieing again, they were physically resurrected,their tombs were in Jerusalem? or they walked the 600 miles to get there?
Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. (Matthew 27:51-53) interesting; that would put about 3 months of travel right in the middle verse 53, between 'coming out of the graves' and 'they went into the holy city' -- i.e. they didn't show up until after Pentecost??
i guess you could insert a miraculous teleportation into the text.
i've always looked at this passage and thought that the people who saw these resurrected saints recognized them -- i.e. they were people they knew before they had died. it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that someone just walks up to you and says 'hey i'm resurrected king Josiah' or something or 'hey i'm a resurrected Ninevite from 700 years before you were born' and you would not have any doubts or be suspecting something about being filled with new wine. but if someone who you personally knew appeared, you would know immediately that they had been raised, when you realized you weren't hallucinating yourself.
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eternally-gratefull
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The stones referees to a “building“ which is being built. We are told this building is laid on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and we too are stones,
these stones were always composed of Jew and gentile, so in context, he is telling these Jews they are stoned, he never said they were the only stones
and a building is far different than a nation
the church is NEVER called a nation
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pottersclay
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Your on a right track just a bit off course. Will be getting back to my thread why the rapture needs to take place which will clear up matters. Like your focus.
their tombs were in Jerusalem? or they walked the 600 miles to get there?
Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. (Matthew 27:51-53) interesting; that would put about 3 months of travel right in the middle verse 53, between 'coming out of the graves' and 'they went into the holy city' -- i.e. they didn't show up until after Pentecost??
altho i guess you could insert a miraculous teleportation into the text.
i've always looked at this passage and thought that the people who saw these resurrected saints recognized them -- i.e. they were people they knew before they had died. it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that someone just walks up to you and says 'hey i'm resurrected king Josiah' or something or 'hey i'm a resurrected Ninevite from 700 years before you were born' and you would not have any doubts or be suspecting something about being filled with new wine. but if someone who you personally knew appeared, you would know immediately that they had been raised, when you realized you weren't hallucinating yourself.
Luk 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luk 11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
The queen of the south, the men of Nineveh and the men of Jerusalem RISE UP and condemn Israel along with the live men of THIS GENERATION (Peter, Paul, James). Israel was judged at the cross and the kingdom was taken from them.
hmm but He sys "in the judgement"
i think "rise up with the men of this generation" indicates He is speaking of the time when both the people of that generation and the people of a thousand years prior will all be raised and all will face judgement. at that time they will condemn the unbelieving 1st century Israelites who are raised with them because they believed when Jonah, a type of Christ, came to them, but Israel did not believe when Christ Himself appeared among them.
i mean don't you believe in any future resurrection & judgement? if not what will become of us, or of anyone who died after ~ 30 AD?
The resurrection started with the Old Testament saints, they were the dead in Christ. I do believe in a future resurrection because from the resurrection of Christ forward, when a person dies they are judged and either go to heaven or eternal damnation.
There's been no replacement. Hence the term is dumb.
There is no jew or greek. We are all one in Christ Jesus.
Those "specific" promises given only to jews is YOUR mistake. The scripture I posted, that you ignore, shows you this.
Gods People are not a physical nation. They are a spiritual people. Those in Christ become the heirs of the promises given to Abraham.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Yes as far as salvation goes
we are not talking about salvation.
it’s not dumb, what is dumb is to say the church replaced Isreal as far as the promises made only to abraham, Issac, jacob his sons and all of there ancestries,
The Kingdom of God is the land promise,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.....Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Mt.5:3,5
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Nope
mid this is true. Ever Person born into the covenant by birth is saved. And gentiles have no hope
By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place he would later receive as an inheritance
they (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) aspire to a better land, that is, a heavenly one. Heb.8:11,16
No it wasn't unconditional. It was promised to Abraham because of his faith.
No, the one seed is Jesus,
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his descendant. Scripture does not say, "and to the descendants," referring to many, but "and to your descendant" referring to one, who is Christ. Gal.3:16
Isaac is only a figure of Christ.
The covenant belongs to those born of Christ,
and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ Gal.3:17
Everyone born again into the covenant by faith is saved.
Funny how Jesus only mentioned to the Jewish people a land promise concerning the Kingdom of God.
The land promised to Abraham as given by Stephen in Acts.
Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child
Abraham was living in Canaan, he was walking on the dirt of Cannan, yet Stephen said Abraham NEVER SET FOOT in the promised land.
That tells us that the land that was promised to Abraham WAS NOT the land of Canaan.
Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child
Abraham was living in Canaan, he was walking on the dirt of Cannan, yet Stephen said Abraham NEVER SET FOOT in the promised land.
That tells us that the land that was promised to Abraham WAS NOT the land of Canaan.
He walked in it my friend. He just didn't possess it as an owner at that time. Really the earth belongs to God and he gives it to whoever he wants.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Rev.21/7