Replacement theology.

[KJV1611]

He walked in it my friend. He just didn't possess it as an owner at that time. Really the earth belongs to God and he gives it to whoever he wants.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Rev.21/7

Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child

What is the bolded part saying then?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place he would later receive as an inheritance
they (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) aspire to a better land, that is, a heavenly one. Heb.8:11,16

No it wasn't unconditional. It was promised to Abraham because of his faith.

No, the one seed is Jesus,

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his descendant. Scripture does not say, "and to the descendants," referring to many, but "and to your descendant" referring to one, who is Christ. Gal.3:16


Isaac is only a figure of Christ.

The covenant belongs to those born of Christ,

and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ Gal.3:17

I see no answers to my question here

how can we proceed when you will not even answer my questions?

I did not ask you if you agreed with what I said, I asked concerning those promises,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everyone born again into the covenant by faith is saved.

Funny how Jesus only mentioned to the Jewish people a land promise concerning the Kingdom of God.

No one born according to the land promise is guaranteed salvation

you are claiming in effect they are, because it is all one covenant

your contradicting yourself

 

[Journeyman]

Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child

What is the bolded part saying then?

He's saying Abraham never set his foot on the promised land as the owner of it. He didn't inherit it yet.

 

[Journeyman]

I see no answers to my question here

how can we proceed when you will not even answer my questions?

I did not ask you if you agreed with what I said, I asked concerning those promises,

The promises are not to Abrahams physical descendants

think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: Mt.3:9

 

[Journeyman]

No one born according to the land promise is guaranteed salvation

you are claiming in effect they are, because it is all one covenant

your contradicting yourself

Well. If you leave faith out I would be, but I didn't, so I'm not.

 

[KJV1611]

He's saying Abraham never set his foot on the promised land as the owner of it. He didn't inherit it yet.

I see what you’re saying but not 100% convinced yet. I need to research it more. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Guojing]

The context of Ephesians 2:11-12 starts in Ephesians 2:1-2. And who was dead in trespasses and sins? The Ephesians who in times past had no hope in leaving off sinning prior to Christ's sacrifice.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So you are saying when Paul stated Gentiles, he actually only meant specifically the Ephesians and not any other gentiles?

 

[Guojing]

And your wrong

daniel was just as saved as you are, as was moses, as was all the saved jew or gentile of the OT

Again, show me scripture, any scripture that stated they are saved NOW.

I have already stated Acts 3:19-21, that said salvation for Israel will only come in the 2nd coming, and Peter said that after the cross.

 

[Guojing]

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The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, ​

because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.​

(Matthew 12:41) ​

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you don't seem to accept their belief & repentance and the LORD's mercy on them as evidence He saves them, but do you suppose that God accepts the judgement of the damned? why is He saying these men will condemn unbelieving Israel if they are likewise damned, and there is no difference?
Christ directly links Himself to Jonah in this passage ((also Luke 11)) and by explicitly identifying by way of contrast those who rejected Him at His appearing, He directly links those who do believe Him with repentance to the Ninevites who turned in faith to God at the preaching of Jonah, looking for ((& receiving)) His mercy.
is God's mercy real or is it only a temporary illusion of mercy? the LORD is telling us Jonah & Ninevah is a picture of Him -- if that picture is a picture only of a deception of salvation which results in condemnation, then the picture is telling us none of us are saved either; that there is no salvation at all & God is a liar.

it seems to me that either Christ is making faulty analogies or Christ is telling us that those Ninevites were redeemed and saved just as we who believe Him now are. i do not believe God speaks with a forked tongue.

Do you have any scripture that stated that the "men of Nineveh" are saved now?

Instead, we had Peter telling Israel, as late as 1 Peter 4

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Do you think Peter is teaching Israel that they have salvation now?

If you hold that doctrine, then you must conclude that Peter is saying even the saved people can expect judgement, and can "scarcely be saved", which is not what Paul taught us in the Body of Christ

 

[Guojing]

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

it was not written to the church it was written to the dispersed Jews, peter was trying to remind them of what God said about them.
the church was never said to be a nation. On this earth or the next.

That is why I don't consider you as a dispensationalist.

If you keep on insisting that Paul has always preached the same gospel as Peter, and there is only one gospel for everyone, Israel and the Body of Christ, why does it matter to you then, that Peter's words are not written to the Body of Christ but to Israel?

If everyone is always preaching the same thing at all times, what Peter wrote to Israel should also apply to the Body of Christ correct?

 

[posthuman]

Do you have any scripture that stated that the "men of Nineveh" are saved now?

Instead, we had Peter telling Israel, as late as 1 Peter 4

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Do you think Peter is teaching Israel that they have salvation now?

If you hold that doctrine, then you must conclude that Peter is saying even the saved people can expect judgement, and can "scarcely be saved", which is not what Paul taught us in the Body of Christ

people who believe God, repent, receive God's mercy & are used by Christ as examples to condemn the unrighteous, as typological case studies of whosoever puts their faith in Him -- do you have scriptures saying they are forsaken & damned?

 

[posthuman]

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

the men of Ninevah obeyed the gospel of God.
Jesus describes Jonah as a figure of Himself, implicitly that generation of Ninevites the figure of the generation who likewise put their trust in God.

For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” ​

(Romans 10:11)​

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you gave me Peter describing the outwardly righteous Jews scarcely being saved -- how do you see that as relevant to the gentile Ninevites that heard and believed the preaching of the figure of Christ? as a kind of contrast? because Peter is talking about people who do not believe, but Jesus speaking of Ninevah talks of those who do believe.

is it really God's practice to fail to save those who believe Him, obey Him and put their hope in Him? is God faithless?
or is it just so impossible in your doctrine that any non-Jew could receive God's mercy that you can't conceive of the significance of the book of Jonah and the words of Christ regarding them?

 

[Guojing]

people who believe God, repent, receive God's mercy & are used by Christ as examples to condemn the unrighteous, as typological case studies of whosoever puts their faith in Him -- do you have scriptures saying they are forsaken & damned?

No, but I have provided the scripture that says they have to "wait for their salvation", they "scarcely can be saved", and that their sins "may be blotted out at the 2nd coming of Jesus".

Do all these indicate to you that they are saved now? I read the passages literally, Peter meant what he said and said what he meant.

 

[posthuman]

No, but I have provided the scripture that says they have to "wait for their salvation", they "scarcely can be saved", and that their sins "may be blotted out at the 2nd coming of Jesus".

Do all these indicate to you that they are saved now? I read the passages literally, Peter meant what he said and said what he meant.

Peter isn't saying no one is saved. Peter is pointing out that only a remnant of the Jews (('the righteous' - c.f. Hosea's book)) believe, and from that as an illustration warning against the condemnation that the ungodly & sinners all face if they do not believe. this is exactly the same thing Paul says in Romans -- if the Jew isn't saved by being a Jew, how much more do those who do not have the oracles and promises of God have trembling expectation of judgement -- IF they do not believe?
but the men of Ninevah both believed, and repented, and received God's mercy.

you seem to be telling me you believe Jonah was sent to Ninevah just to murder them, their children and their animals in the wilderness, and they might as well have stayed in Egypt. that they trusted God in vain. this seems utterly crazy to me to be presented as Christian doctrine.

 

[Guojing]

Peter isn't saying no one is saved. Peter is pointing out that only a remnant of the Jews believe, and from that as an illustration warning against the condemnation that the ungodly & sinners all face if they do not believe.

If you are told that your sins may be blotted out in the future, are you saved right now? (Acts 3:19-21)

 

[posthuman]

If you are told that your sins may be blotted out in the future, are you saved right now? (Acts 3:19-21)

you think God is unfaithful to His promises? then yeah i guess if you do not believe Him you'd think there is no salvation. and there wouldn't be for you, because you had no faith.

would you like to see a list of 100 verses describing salvation in present tense, lol. would it matter to you to see it.

 

[posthuman]

when God speaks of what He will do does He say "maybe" ?

no -- as the prophets said, He speaks of that which is not as though it already is.
let it be according to your faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The promises are not to Abrahams physical descendants

think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: Mt.3:9

Yet God said it was. He said in genesis 15, I give this land of Canaan to you and your descendants,

i will listen to God if that’s ok with you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well. If you leave faith out I would be, but I didn't, so I'm not.

It has nothing to do with faith

if the promise aged made had to do with only the saved, the all people born of abraham automatically are saved

you can’t have it both ways