Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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And it was the abomination that caused desolation.
Murder wasn't murder. You're dealing with spiritually ill people.
Equating the crucifixion to the abomination of desolation is outrageous error of the most serious kind.
1. The Gospel of John: The "Hour" of Glory
In John’s Gospel, Jesus repeatedly refers to his impending crucifixion not as his "execution," but as his glorification.
John 12:23-24: "Jesus replied, 'The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.'"
John 13:31-32: After Judas leaves to betray him (setting the crucifixion in motion), Jesus says, "Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
John 17:1: "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.'"
2. The "Lifting Up" (The Royal Enthronement)
John uses a double meaning for the phrase "lifted up." While it physically refers to being raised on a cross, it spiritually refers to being exalted on a throne.
John 12:32: "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
John 3:14-15: "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him."
3. The Reversal of Shame
The Epistles explain why the cross is glorious: it was the site of a cosmic victory over evil and the supreme demonstration of God's character.
Hebrews 2:9: "But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone."
Colossians 2:15: "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross." (Note: He turned the "spectacle" of his own death into a victory parade over his enemies).
Galatians 6:14: Paul takes what was a "curse" and makes it his only pride: "May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Nobody murdered Jesus God....it's fundamentally impossible. The ONLY way God dies is if He wills it so.
Yes they PLOTTED His death, but certainly did NOT get the job done.
Furthermore, Jesus was utterly totally in control of His owns death, burial and resurrection. Not only that He resurrected Himself!
Jhn 10:17 - Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
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10:18 - No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Wrong. Paul is NOT boasting about the abomination of desolation.And it was the abomination that caused desolation.
Galatians 6:14: "May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."
Furthermore, Paul acknowledges that the world thinks the crucifixion is a disaster or "foolishness," but he claims it is actually the ultimate display of God’s glory.
1 Corinthians 1:18: "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
1 Corinthians 1:23-24: "But we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called... Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
Wrong again. The resurrection was the PROOF, the VALIDATION, the AFFIRMATION of the foregoing VICTORY of the Cross.
Matthew 12 1-12
ESV
The Parable of the Tenants
12 And he began to speak to them in parables. “A man planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a pit for the winepress and built a tower, and leased it to tenants and went into another country.
2 When the season came, he sent a servant[a] to the tenants to get from them some of the fruit of the vineyard.
3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed.
4 Again he sent to them another servant, and they struck him on the head and treated him shamefully.
5 And he sent another, and him they killed. And so with many others: some they beat, and some they killed.
6 He had still one other, a beloved son. Finally he sent him to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’
7 But those tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 And they took him and killed him and threw him out of the vineyard.
9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the tenants and give the vineyard to others.
10 Have you not read this Scripture:
“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;[b]
11 this was the Lord's doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?”
12 And they were seeking to arrest him but feared the people, for they perceived that he had told the parable against them. So they left him and went away.
ESV
The Parable of the Tenants
12 And he began to speak to them in parables. “A man planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a pit for the winepress and built a tower, and leased it to tenants and went into another country.
2 When the season came, he sent a servant[a] to the tenants to get from them some of the fruit of the vineyard.
3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed.
4 Again he sent to them another servant, and they struck him on the head and treated him shamefully.
5 And he sent another, and him they killed. And so with many others: some they beat, and some they killed.
6 He had still one other, a beloved son. Finally he sent him to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’
7 But those tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 And they took him and killed him and threw him out of the vineyard.
9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the tenants and give the vineyard to others.
10 Have you not read this Scripture:
“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;[b]
11 this was the Lord's doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?”
12 And they were seeking to arrest him but feared the people, for they perceived that he had told the parable against them. So they left him and went away.
It is possible for more than one thing to happen in a moment of time.
Both things are true of the crucifixion.
Victory for believers because Christ has conquered death.
Condemnation for the unbelievers because an innocent man has been murdered.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
What is definitely NOT true is that the crucifixion = the abomination of desolation.
Anyone who says so is conjuring up horrific heresy out of their vain imagination.
Wrong. Only a mind in denial fails to rightly comprehend these passages.
And if you have failed to do your homework and study history at that time, shame on you!
Swift, stealthy, surprising, like a thief in the night are the terms that Jesus uses,
and coming upon the whole world......unlike 70AD.
Mat 24:37
“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Mat 24:38
“For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39
“and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Mat 24:42
“Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.
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Yes there were years of unmistakable warning signs, political shocks, and military preparations before the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The catastrophe did not arrive suddenly. It built slowly and visibly.
Here is how it unfolded.
Rising unrest for decades before 70 ADFrom about AD 40 onward, Judea was in a state of near-constant tension:
• Heavy Roman taxation
• Brutal governors
• Zealot militancy
• Temple corruption
• Messianic uprisings
• Frequent riots and massacres
The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus records dozens of violent clashes in Jerusalem between Jews and Romans during the 40s–60s AD.
By the time of Nero, Judea was already close to rebellion.
The revolt explodes (AD 66)In AD 66, Jewish rebels attacked the Roman garrison in Jerusalem and massacred Roman troops.
They also defeated the Roman legate Cestius Gallus when he tried to retake the city.
That victory convinced many Jews that God was backing the rebellion — a tragic misinterpretation.
Rome begins massive mobilization (AD 67)Rome immediately launched a full-scale invasion.
Nero appointed Vespasian to crush Judea.
Vespasian brought:
• 3 full Roman legions
• 20,000+ professional troops
• Syrian, Arab, and auxiliary forces
This was one of the largest armies Rome ever sent against a single province.
By AD 67–68, all of Galilee had been conquered, and tens of thousands of Jews had been killed or enslaved.
Jerusalem watched the noose tighten (AD 68–69)By now:
• Every surrounding region had fallen
• Refugees poured into Jerusalem with horror stories
• Roman armies were encamped only miles away
• Food supply lines were cut
• Civil war erupted inside Jerusalem
Three Jewish factions began killing each other inside the city while Rome waited outside.
The final siege (AD 70)After Vespasian became emperor, his son Titus marched on Jerusalem with:
• 4 legions
• 80,000+ troops
• Siege towers
• Battering rams
• Encirclement walls
Christians had already fledEarly Christians, remembering Jesus’ warning, fled Jerusalem when the Roman armies first withdrew in AD 66.
They escaped to Pella in modern Jordan — avoiding the slaughter.
Those who stayed were trapped.
Bottom line
The destruction of Jerusalem was not sudden.
It was preceded by:
• 30 years of rebellion
• 4 years of open war
• 3 years of Roman encirclement
• Massive troop movements
• Collapsing food supplies
• Internal civil war
• Clear visible siege preparations
Anyone paying attention knew the end was coming.
And it was the abomination that caused desolation.
No my friend...a abomination is that which is against God's design, law and nature. As I said God orchestrated all of this. Why would he orchestrate such a event then declare it abomination? This as another had siad is a very serious error of perspective.
Christ willingly died. A blood sacrifice was required, Jesus paid the penalty for our sins.
Keep going down this path that you have chosen as a murder you will fall into a whole bunch of false teachings.
You my friend are so far from the truth of this event its frightening.
Oh and BTW, the reason you have the opportunity to be "in Christ" is BECAUSE of that "gap".
No "gap", no Church,
Somebody tell these people that Christ was crucified on Golgotha ("place of Goliaths skull").
Definitely nowhere near the Temple grounds, which was probably more than a kilometer away at the very least.
Daniel 12:11
“From the time that the regular sacrifice is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up…”
Sacrifice only happens in one place:
the Temple altar inside the sanctuary courts.
So Daniel has now fixed the location:
the Holy Place area of the Temple
Jesus — Matthew 24:15“When you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…”
This is the only place in the Bible where the location is named word-for-word:
ἐν τόπῳ ἁγίῳ (en topo hagio)
“in the holy place”
There is no ambiguity.
Jesus tells His disciples to look at the Temple.
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Jesus said the abomination that causes desolation would bring horrors unseen since the creation of the world and would never be seen again. It would result in darkness. In Rev ch8 it states one third of the sun and moon will not shine, meaning one third of the earth will be covered in darkness. A third of the land and trees will be burned up. What is an abomination that causes desolation?And it was the abomination that caused desolation.
I saw a programme years ago, it said if there was a nuclear war amongst the main(main) countries that have those weapons a cloud would result covering one third of the earth. Therefore the sun and moon would not shine on one third of the earth, a third of the earth would be covered in darkness. A third of the land and trees would be burned up. It would be a horror unseen since the creation of the world
Which still means God did not cause sacrifices to cease so not a match to the prophecy.
There is only one household of God , Apostle Paul said . Jesus said to Nicademas , a man must be born again , flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God . To the Jew first did Jesus come . Then they fell because of unbelief, after a time of rejection, then the Salvation offer went out to the Gentiles . Until the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled or ended , I believe that happens just prior to Jesus return on the last day .
In your view what does "the sacrifice" mean?
If any killing of any creature counts, you will be needing a pretty mean dude to cause that to cease.