Remember how this country was "founded"

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NightTwister

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But also remember the indigenous people who were here before the Europeans... How they were killed for greed and power.
And remember the people before the indigenous people who were here before them and were killed for greed and power. 'Tis how things have always been and always will be until the Lord comes.
 

Gideon300

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The Star Spangled Banner story. But also remember the indigenous people who were here before the Europeans... How they were killed for greed and power.
It was normal practice in those days. Indigenous people were entrenched in witchcraft and tribal warfare was commonplace. America was not some kind of utopia.

If it had not been the British, it would have been the Spanish, French, Dutch or Portuguese. Pick your colonial power. One thing is for sure, America would have been colonised. Get over it.
 

ResidentAlien

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I'd be curious to know who these "indigenous people" were who the native Americans supposedly killed off.

The big difference between the native Americans and the Europeans was that the native Americans didn't pretend to serve a loving God, and His Son, who loves all people. What the Europeans did in the name of God and Christ was nothing short of diabolical.
 

Gideon300

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I'd be curious to know who these "indigenous people" were who the native Americans supposedly killed off.

The big difference between the native Americans and the Europeans was that the native Americans didn't pretend to serve a loving God, and His Son, who loves all people. What the Europeans did in the name of God and Christ was nothing short of diabolical.
Judging the past by the standards of today is ridiculous and pointless. All kinds of evil has been done in God's name and still is being done. All kinds of great things were done and are being done in God's name also.
 

ResidentAlien

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Judging the past by the standards of today is ridiculous and pointless. All kinds of evil has been done in God's name and still is being done. All kinds of great things were done and are being done in God's name also.
Maybe so, but we're not talking about "all kinds of things," we're talking about what was done to the native Americans. It never ceases to amaze me how people who claim to be so dedicated to Christ want to dodge the issue, or sweep it under the rug. It wasn't an insignificant event; it was an attempted genocide.
 

Cameron143

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I'd be curious to know who these "indigenous people" were who the native Americans supposedly killed off.

The big difference between the native Americans and the Europeans was that the native Americans didn't pretend to serve a loving God, and His Son, who loves all people. What the Europeans did in the name of God and Christ was nothing short of diabolical.
William Penn bought his land from the Indians. Others did as well. They claimed to be Christian.
I'm not unaware of atrocities against Indian tribes, but blanket statements cover history poorly. It was generally the US government who treated Indians poorly.
 

Gideon300

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Maybe so, but we're not talking about "all kinds of things," we're talking about what was done to the native Americans. It never ceases to amaze me how people who claim to be so dedicated to Christ want to dodge the issue, or sweep it under the rug. It wasn't an insignificant event; it was an attempted genocide.
What do you want? No amount of mea culpa is going to change history one iota. Do you not know that God is in control? God judges all things impartially and righteously. We have our own indignant indigenous people here. They wallow in self pity, drink themselves into early graves, the men treat their wives like dirt and no amount of welfare money thrown at them makes a bit of difference. The Aborigines who do succeed, and there are many, get on with life and and avail themselves of what modern society can give them.

My ex wife is part aborigine. Our kids went through high school funded by Aussie tax payers. My son identifies as Aborigine. He has an excellent job. He does not immerse himself in the past and is much better off because of it.
 

vassal

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