That is the pre-trib rapture. Paul taught a post-trib rapture and used the Greek word that means rapture.
Rapture true or false
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That is the pre-trib rapture. Paul taught a post-trib rapture and used the Greek word that means rapture.
FALSE. The Greek word meaning rapture is Harpazo and Paul used it when speaking of people being caught up to the clouds.
FALSE. The Greek word meaning rapture is Harpazo and Paul used it when speaking of people being caught up to the clouds.
The word "rapture" comes from the Latin word for the Greek Harpazo.
Rather than true of false, one might ask likely or less likely.
The word "rapture" comes from the Latin word for the Greek Harpazo.
Rather than true of false, one might ask likely or less likely.
Here is a perfect example of a wolf in sheep's clothing -----causing division in the True Church -----
What is being said here by KeithB goes against what God says in His Word ------cause God says -----that the Saints first the dead and then the living will be caught up ---(Raptured ) to be with Jesus in the air --
The Rapture is TRUE ___FOLKS as PER SCRIPTURE
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Amplified Bible
16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the [a]archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
I say -------Anyone with the Holy Spirit indwelling in them will not post what contradicts God's word -----division and contradiction to what God says comes from False Prophets -----who's god is Satan -----
WARNING =====know your scripture ----put up the SHEILD of FAITH------
From my reading of the Bible I have not found any reason to follow the "secret rapture", but I can definitely read verses about a rapture... the saved are called up to be with Jesus. The second coming resurrection. 1 Thes 4:16...
The secret rapture which is often called the pre tribulation rapture has no Bible support.
The secret rapture which is often called the pre tribulation rapture has no Bible support.
There are several rapture verses.
The Jewish gathering is mid trib in Rev 14.
Read romans 9 -11.
The church is gathered first, then the Jews.
Your talking points are tired men's rabbit trails.
Romans 9-11 are Paul’s deep reflection on Israel’s place in God’s plan of salvation — not the end-time rapture of believers.
Romans 9: God’s sovereign choice of Israel and His mercy — why some of Israel did not believe in Christ.
Romans 10: Israel’s unbelief explained — salvation is by faith in Christ, for both Jew and Gentile.
Romans 11: Hope for Israel’s eventual salvation — “all Israel will be saved” when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
So, the entire section focuses on God’s faithfulness to His covenant with Israel, not on the end-times sequence of events.
Is he going to come back to earth or destroy it that day ?
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ( lake of fire )
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10-12 KJV
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
seems we have a better place waiting and he’s taking us from here because he’s going to utterly destroy it all
“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
John 14:2-3 KJV
Rev 14 has 144k JEWISH FIRSTFRUITS gathered to heaven and before God's throne.
THEN A GATHERING by Jesus sitting on a cloud, AFTER the firstfruits
That points 100% to harvest. ( Firstfruits then main harvest)
To try and separate a Jewish gathering from a Jewish gathering is absurd.
Way way off
Where does the bible say that it is a lie? I have never seen this in scripture it does say however that no one will know the day or hour but a lie? not that I have seen
I was thinking earlier that if the AC appears with a covenant ( has a bow/ (covenant) in his hand wearing a crown),
And that kicks off the 7 yr GT....
Then, if I take a 7 yr postrib rapture position, ....I KNOW TO THE DAY when the "rapture" is.
( that also applies to a midtrib prewrath position).
So only a pretrib rapture supports not knowing when the rapture is.
The other positions betray that dynamic.
That does kind of makes sense the only thing is that we would have to know the exact day and hour the tribulation would begin in order to know the day and hour for a post trib rapture or mid or prewrath
Pre Trib Rapture has Scripture to support it ------Jesus Comes back to fight Satan --this is the 2nd Coming ----and He comes with all His Saints and Angels -----
1 Thessalonians 3:13. This passage is a part of the New Testament's teachings on the Second Coming of Jesus, where "saints" refers to both angels and redeemed people who will be with him at his return.
Another verse, Jude 1:14-15, also refers to the Lord coming with "ten thousands of His saints" to execute judgment.
The Saints have to be in Heaven already to come down with Jesus to Defeat Satan ----that is just common sense -----
AI
The scripture describing Jesus coming with "all his saints" is found in 1 Thessalonians 3:13. This passage is a part of the New Testament's teachings on the Second Coming of Jesus, where "saints" refers to both angels and redeemed people who will be with him at his return. Another verse, Jude 1:14-15, also refers to the Lord coming with "ten thousands of His saints" to execute judgment.
- 1 Thessalonians 3:13: "May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other and for everyone else, just as our love for you overflows. May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones".
- Jude 1:14-15: "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these people: 'The Lord is coming with his holy thousands to judge everyone'".
- Who are the saints?: The term "saints" in this context is understood to include both angels and redeemed believers who will return with Christ.
- Context: These verses are part of the biblical descriptions of the Second Coming of Jesus.