Rapture true or false

[ATG]

Lol.
Sloppy reading is definitely your problem
"... that WHERE I AM YOU MAY BE ALSO."
"I GO ...TO MY FATHERS HOUSE TO BUILD YOU MANSIONS, IN HEAVEN."

Where He goes is to build mansions, is not when and where He is when He returns to earth.

The groom builds a house is FOR THE BRIDE TO DWELL IN HEAVEN.

The groom builds a house is FOR THE BRIDE TO DWELL IN New Jerusalem on the new earth.

This is getting to easy to correct, and boring.

 

[ATG]

Huh.
You posted only 144,000 can sing it, then suggest millions of saints sing it?

Huh. I posted the sum fulfillment of saints singing is 144,000.

Once again, people misrepresent the Bible, will inevitably misrepresent teaching from the Bible.

And doing so time after time is on purpose. At this point, only if you offer something completely new, or respond from a quote of mine, then I'm moving on.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
""Therefore, at His return with clouds, the saints are resurrected and changed immortal on the earth, while every unbelieving eye sees and wails because of Him.""

There are 2 comings in mat 24

One in Rev 14:14. That is three.

So, this is new.

There is one coming again and appearing a second time of the Lord to earth from heaven.

The two comings of the Lord are first in the flesh, and next in the air.

 

[ATG]

Ditto.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

The new body is in heaven! Here Paul uses an analogy of a building, house and tabernacle to represent a physical body. One of these is an "earthly house" meaning the mortal flesh body we are born into and then a heavenly house which is in heaven that represents the new immortal body. This speaks of when a saved human's body dies (dissolved) that there is another body in heaven waiting for them and the time of Resurrection. There is nothing in the passage about the person's spirit returning to their dissolved/dead body and it being brought back to life. Paul speaks of a different body that already exists in heaven.

Paul knew he wasn't returning to his old body.

He speaks of the mortal body being dissolved and a new body that is waiting in heaven. Clearly that is not bringing the dissolved body back to life and changing it which would eliminate the need for the new body in heaven that he mentions.

2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Paul writes that he desires to be clothed with the house from Heaven and says it is eternal in Heaven. That's the resurrection body and it is from heaven not from the Earth nor from an Earthly grave.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The dead saints that resurrect are not brought to Jesus in a rapture but are brought with Jesus before the rapture even begins. That's a very important thing to recognize. Only those living saints are raptured and brought to Jesus and those he brought with him from heaven.

More same old misrepresentations of others, avoiding direct challenges, and endless repetition of yourself.

On these things. We're at an end. See you on something else.

 

[ewq1938]

More same old misrepresentations of others, avoiding direct challenges, and endless repetition of yourself.

On these things. We're at an end. See you on something else.

The dead saints that resurrect are not brought to Jesus in a rapture but are brought with Jesus before the rapture even begins. That's a very important thing to recognize. Only those living saints are raptured and brought to Jesus and those he brought with him from heaven.

 

[Psalm1]

So, this is new.

There is one coming again and appearing a second time of the Lord to earth from heaven.

The two comings of the Lord are first in the flesh, and next in the air.

Rev 14:14.
You absolutely can not unpack it.

Ot is neither the Lord coming in power, nor can it possibly be the rapture of the church.

You do not include "firstfruits " in your study.

The church has firdtfruits...HELLO...JESUS.

what are you doing claiming the 144,000 are ANYTHING but WHO THEY ARE...FIRSTFRUITS.

Until you can incorporate the rapture verses, you are guessing and filling in what suits you.
For example the 3 comings are TOTALLY AVOIDED.

 

[Psalm1]

Huh. I posted the sum fulfillment of saints singing is 144,000.

Once again, people misrepresent the Bible, will inevitably misrepresent teaching from the Bible.

And doing so time after time is on purpose. At this point, only if you offer something completely new, or respond from a quote of mine, then I'm moving on.

Again, you fill in the blanks with doctrine.
Poor doctrine reframes the 144,000.
You say they ARE NOT WHO THE BIBLE SAYS THEY ARE.

But you are inventing a HUGE dilemma.
Huge! Now the 144,000 are what you made them to be.
They are not ( in your book),
144,000 jews
Chosen from tribes
Firstfruits.
Sing a song nobody but them can sing.

That is a BUNCH to reframe.

Whew!

Glad I never got into that severe of a bible smear job.

Thank you Jesus for your precious word.

 

[Psalm1]

Where He goes is to build mansions, is not when and where He is when He returns to earth.




The groom builds a house is FOR THE BRIDE TO DWELL IN New Jerusalem on the new earth.

This is getting to easy to correct, and boring.

Lol
The new Jerusalem COMES FROM HEAVEN.

JESUS framed the mansion construction in heaven.
It is crystal clear.
Literally impossible to miss.
Your banner verse of mat 24, has a gathering IN HEAVEN BY ANGELS.

The bride becomes the wife IN HEAVEN.
THE CONSUMATION IN HEAVEN.

THE WINE IS THE CONSUMATION IN HEAVEN
THE MANSIONS AND JESUS PROPHECY IS IN HEAVEN
THE 144,000 ABD THE JEWISH MAIN HARVEST IS TO HEAVEN.

AHEM....years before your "one coming" of rev 19.

SMH

 

[Psalm1]

Where He goes is to build mansions, is not when and where He is when He returns to earth.




The groom builds a house is FOR THE BRIDE TO DWELL IN New Jerusalem on the new earth.

This is getting to easy to correct, and boring.

QUOTE
"This is getting to easy to correct, and boring"
You ain't a lyin there friend.
Like shooting ducks in a barrel.

Praise God for his beautiful word.

QUOTE
""The groom builds a house is FOR THE BRIDE TO DWELL IN New Jerusalem on the new earth.""

Now the actual truth;
Jn 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also

Your doctrine:

""No no no Jesus, you come first and much later build mansions. And not in heaven as you erroneously suggest"

That Jesus got it backwards.

 

[Psalm1]

Correct. The rapture is from the 4 corners of the earth into the air. The escort of angels from the 4 winds is to meet Jesus where He is.

Most likely after Mid-East Judea.



The gathering of mat 24 after the trib is BY ANGELS escorting resurrected saints in the air.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mot false interpretation is not by taking Jesus at His word.

QUOTE
""The gathering of mat 24 after the trib is BY ANGELS escorting resurrected saints in the air.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mot false interpretation is not by taking Jesus at His word.

Lol
You just declared the gathering after the trib is in heaven by angels.

Then inverted it to say " the gathering after the trib is by Jesus from earth."
Yes indeed you can not take Jesus at His word.
Wow. So. Much you change.
The unbelievable, is that you are blatant about your verse changing, with no red flags.

Then when read back to you word for word you claim foul.

I dunno.
You are duped my friend.
Crazy how you change nearly all the end times verses.
Flat out weird.

 

[Psalm1]

Na-ah and repeating yourself is not an answer to a challenge. Avoiding challenges head on is by lack of confidencd3e and fear of correction.


Jesus prophesied drinking it new in the kingdom of God, when He comes again to receive His saints to Himself.
Mat 24:29
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our



The many mansions in the Father's house is in New Jerusalem on the new earth.




Continuing to misrepresent others after being corrected, is on purpose.


We see all the faithful wheat of Jesus Christ is harvested into the air.

The unfaithful tares are rejected and appointed with the hypocrites and wrath.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.



Many have been and will be martyred in these last days, until the Lord returns.

After he comes and raptures His church, some unbelievers will convert to the Lord during the hour of judgment upon the earth, and then also will be martyred:

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Though they will not have part in the first blessed resurrection of the church, their works will follow them to the next resurrection of the rest of the dead, when they are found written in the Lamb's book of life...


The feast in the air. The midnight cry parable.

The wedding guest parable is a gathering and separation on earth before His judgment seat.
Mat 22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Mat 22:11
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:28
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Presumptively moving the dinner to heaven, is only by self-made interpretation.



The time of grafted Jews and Gentiles coming in to the olive tree body of Christ, is completed at His second coming to rapture them into the air with Him.

Rom 11:18
The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith… And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.



Jacob's trouble was persecution of Jews before the Lord comes in the flesh. Jacob is now Israel's trouble in these last days, until the Lord comes again with power.

2Ti 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Matth 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Interpreting fulfillment of prophecy during NT times, by excluding NT doctrine, is to make on none effect the crucifixion and resurrection fo the Lamb of God...


Any two covenants on earth at the same time, with separate two wives for people divided by flesh alone, is the two headed beast of another god and christ, not the one new Covenant and faith of the living God and resurrected Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:2
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only one faith of one covenant with one body and Head Jesus Christ on earth. With one baptism and circumcision of the Spirit for all Jews and Gentiles coming in to His Israel of God.

Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

QUOTE
""Psalm1 said:
IOW THEY NEED the wedding feast to be on earth. ( with no reasoning or verses)""

Your attempt at "replying ":
""Continuing to misrepresent others after being corrected, is on purpose.""

Nothing burger.
SMH
Over and over you divert from opening a bible.
Psssst...you, or your top postrib guru, has ANY reference to some made up wedding feast on earth.

You have to understand I TOOK THE TIME to Learn YOUR DOCTRINE.
I STUDY FALSE DOCTRINES.
That is the difference.
The difference is the time I invest to TEST THE DOCTRINE.
That is your downfall.
YOU , NOR YOUR TOP PEOPLE , know the pretrib rapture doctrine. ( then they see them from me for the first time)
Rev 14:14 is my personal discovery.
No pretribber saw it. I pioneered it.
The "one taken verse" ,in mat and Luke are my discoveries.
The.virgin parable is brought in by me.
None of your teachers knows tge 2 wives.
NONE OF THEM
I KNOW YOUR DOCTRINE BETTER THAN YOU.
I TEST FIT EVERYTHING.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
no postribber test fits their theory.
Why do you think they they ALL GET MAD at me and go personal?

Every single one gets owned by God's word.
It is a embarrassing to let teachers make a fool out of you.

 

[Psalm1]

Not just them remain alive on earth at the Lord's return, but first all the dead in Christ resurrected to rise up together to meet Him.

Scriptures already quoted enough.




Now, there is a similarity here, that I had not considered. Thanks.

Even as Noah Just rose by the ark above the flood waters, to return to the earth and repopulate all nations. All the resurrected and changes saints will rise by the rapture above the earth, to return from the air and rule with the Lord all the nations.

None of them bodily leave the earth, to return from heaven. (With perhaps the exception of Enoch and Elijah...)

Noah was over a mile above the earth.(during the trib)
Then returned postrib ,as the church already miles above the earth , in heaven, during the trib, returns to earth WITH JESUS, (Ahem...Noah in the ark), returns postrib in Rev 19.

 

[Psalm1]

Na-ah and repeating yourself is not an answer to a challenge. Avoiding challenges head on is by lack of confidencd3e and fear of correction.


Jesus prophesied drinking it new in the kingdom of God, when He comes again to receive His saints to Himself.
Mat 24:29
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our



The many mansions in the Father's house is in New Jerusalem on the new earth.




Continuing to misrepresent others after being corrected, is on purpose.


We see all the faithful wheat of Jesus Christ is harvested into the air.

The unfaithful tares are rejected and appointed with the hypocrites and wrath.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.



Many have been and will be martyred in these last days, until the Lord returns.

After he comes and raptures His church, some unbelievers will convert to the Lord during the hour of judgment upon the earth, and then also will be martyred:

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Though they will not have part in the first blessed resurrection of the church, their works will follow them to the next resurrection of the rest of the dead, when they are found written in the Lamb's book of life...


The feast in the air. The midnight cry parable.

The wedding guest parable is a gathering and separation on earth before His judgment seat.
Mat 22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Mat 22:11
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:28
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Presumptively moving the dinner to heaven, is only by self-made interpretation.



The time of grafted Jews and Gentiles coming in to the olive tree body of Christ, is completed at His second coming to rapture them into the air with Him.

Rom 11:18
The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith… And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.



Jacob's trouble was persecution of Jews before the Lord comes in the flesh. Jacob is now Israel's trouble in these last days, until the Lord comes again with power.

2Ti 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Matth 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Interpreting fulfillment of prophecy during NT times, by excluding NT doctrine, is to make on none effect the crucifixion and resurrection fo the Lamb of God...


Any two covenants on earth at the same time, with separate two wives for people divided by flesh alone, is the two headed beast of another god and christ, not the one new Covenant and faith of the living God and resurrected Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:2
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only one faith of one covenant with one body and Head Jesus Christ on earth. With one baptism and circumcision of the Spirit for all Jews and Gentiles coming in to His Israel of God.

Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

QUOTE
""Jacob's trouble was persecution of Jews before the Lord comes in the flesh. Jacob is now Israel's trouble in these last days, until the Lord comes again with power.""

Daniel is where we see the 7 yr covenant with the ac.

(JACOBS TROUBLE)

Try to reinvent that one is a grand canyon leap.

 

[ATG]

For example the 3 comings are TOTALLY AVOIDED.

Avoided by Scripture, which instead only says a second coming again.

 

[ATG]

Huge! Now the 144,000 are what you made them to be.
They are not ( in your book),
144,000 jews
Chosen from tribes
Firstfruits.
Sing a song nobody but them can sing.

Correct. Not natural Jews only, but natural people of all nations.

They are all Israelite inwardly circumcised Jews grafted in the NT Israel of God: The body of Christ.

Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

How many of the body's fullness are natural Jews regrafted in, the Lord knows:

2Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[ATG]

The new Jerusalem COMES FROM HEAVEN.

Correct, and descends upon a high mount on the new earth.

Your banner verse of mat 24, has a gathering IN HEAVEN BY ANGELS.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

No four winds in heaven, but in the air of the earth, that the Lord returns to with clouds. In the Bible, we see that the Lord also calls the sky above the earth, from which the rain falls, heaven:

Gen 1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gen 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Many people show they only say things they want to believe about the Bible, by exposing their ignorance of basic Bible things, that any beginning reader would know... But, correction in the Bible basics is still a good exercise.

The bride becomes the wife IN HEAVEN.
THE CONSUMATION IN HEAVEN.

THE WINE IS THE CONSUMATION IN HEAVEN
THE MANSIONS AND JESUS PROPHECY IS IN HEAVEN
THE 144,000 ABD THE JEWISH MAIN HARVEST IS TO HEAVEN.

AHEM....years before your "one coming" of rev 19.

SMH

Already challenged by Scripture enough times. Repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true.

Mat 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
Rev 14:14 is my personal discovery.
No pretribber saw it. I pioneered it.
The "one taken verse" ,in mat and Luke are my discoveries.

Right. Something new in 'discovery', but nothing new in practice.

Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Why do you think they they ALL GET MAD at me and go personal?

Just a matter of time before people with failed argument start taking rejection personally. Especially new revelation angels from heaven. Rejection becomes some sort of 'persecution' complex.

 

[ATG]

Noah was over a mile above the earth.(during the trib)
Then returned postrib ,as the church already miles above the earth , in heaven, during the trib, returns to earth WITH JESUS, (Ahem...Noah in the ark), returns postrib in Rev 19.

This is better. Noah and the raptured church rise into the sky of heaven with clouds, and then Noah returns to earth with the waters, and the church with the Lord:

Gen 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Gen 7:23
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
""Jacob's trouble was persecution of Jews before the Lord comes in the flesh. Jacob is now Israel's trouble in these last days, until the Lord comes again with power.""
Daniel is where we see the 7 yr covenant with the ac.
(JACOBS TROUBLE)

For someone claiming special discovery, you still know how to repeat tired old traditional junk.

Jacob had trouble from his own sons in the matter of Dinah.

Gen 34:30
And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.

Jacob's children had trouble for hundreds of years in Egypt.

Jacob had trouble from his own children again in the promised land:

Jos 6:18
And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

Jacob and Israel in Christ have had trouble in these last days from the beginning of His church:

Gal 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 5:12
I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

2Th 1:6
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

The last days of Jacob and Israel's trouble on earth, will be ended by the day of the Lord coming again:

Jer 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Jacob and Israel's children born after the Spirit, shall be raptured out of their last troubles on the earth into the air. After the Lamb's enemies are all defeated on earth, the Lord shall set up His kingdom with the resurrected David, to inherit and rule all nations of the earth.

Jacob and Israel's children after the flesh will receive with resurrected Abraham the land promised to him and his natural seed.

During the Lord's Millennium, there shall be no more troubling of His faithful people among all nations on earth, beginning with Jacob's Jews around Judea and Mt Zion of Jerusalem.

 

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