Rapture true or false

[ATG]

Then Jude 1:14? Enoch "Behold, the Lord cometh with myriads of his saints," Yet over the years heard "that really means angels".

No, it really means saints. The resurrected saints of God will be as angels and no longer marrying. But will not be angels of God.

Mar 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Ok praise God. I then read after Christ rose went up (ooh yes shouting time) 1st Thess 4 Christ comes with those that died in Christ ( not angels) dead rise when that are alive get caught up to be with Him forever.

Correct. The dead saints resurrect first, and the living saints change immortal, and they altogether rise to meet the Lord in the air.

Rapture...that has never bothered me .

Me neither. It's just a traditional Christian term for passionately caught up to meet the Lord.

Well then if I keep reading it seems something is stopping in the way holding back the lawless one only when He/it is taken out of the way does the lawless one come out in the open doing things oddly he cannot do now. Hmm odd

Correct. So long as there are honest people, that a deceiver still needs to placate, then the power-seeking leader must hold back from their true desire to be as God, rather than just 'represent' Him. That's why cults end without honest believers, and only the die-hard followers remain to watch their great leader now openly playing God:

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[ATG]

Sabbath is a person.
Jesus has become our sabbath rest.

All that legalism is the cart before the horse.

The problem with ordinances and law is that IF YOU BREAK ONE...OR BREAK 50, you are the same offender.
Break one...you are just as guilty as breaking 50.

Do the women in your church cover their heads?
Law breakers?
You should call them out, and get Real serious about that .

C'mon. Give someone a break. Why rain on a blessing parade? I mean, I could have asked him if he's also Jewish, or just acting like it. But why ruin the blessing? Afterall, we don't know that he's just trying to provoke us non-Sabbathing Christians...

Right now, it's midday, and the evening is coming. Tomorrow morning will be another day to praise the Lord!

 

[ATG]

I REALLY appreciate your spending so much time and effort,

I do it because I love it, not because I expect others such as yourself to actually address it, rather than just keep repeating yourself.

enlightening (educating) me to the finer points of the Dispensation Religion, ... ATG

What's dispensation religion?

I spent the majority of my life, not considering God, or my relationship with him.

Fortunately I was never churched, so I never spent time in church without God.

Not learning any "dispensationalism" but realizing that I needed God and His Love, or else I was going to die, "permanently", one way or another. ..." the wages of sin, are death"

Same here. It's the only way to be saved and justified with the Lord Jesus:

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

THEN ... I went to a Revelations & Daniel Prophecy seminar, 30+ yrs ago, presented by a local Adventist group and MY EYES WERE OPENED, and I put on "spiritual lenses" so to speak..

So, your pretend message of blessing, was just an effort to provoke an argument. One thing's for sure: You Sabbath-commandos never stray too far from your main personal specialty, that sets you apart from other Christians.

I knew there had to be some reason for charging others with reprobation, but I never spoke against any sabbath. I guess you people just equate dispensationalism with non-Sabbath keeping?

If dispensationalism doesn't include a NT sabbath law, then that part I certainly agree with.

So, let's cut to the chase. Do your Adventist ministers declare Corban for sabbath-breakers in the military, police, emergency response, gvt leaders. etc...So long as they make their sabbath-day pay a gift to the church treasury, then all is good?

Mar 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Such as modern stylish sabbatheers, being exempted from sabbath-breaking, so long as their sabbath-pay day goes to their sabbath priests.

I actually began my time with the Lord with holiness Pentecostalism. They also made 'exemptions' for their holiness standards, that had to be broken due to committed contracts, such as myself in the military. Of course, when the Scriptures showed me that all their personal rules were made up, then I learned one main difference between the commandments of the Lord, and the commandments of men:

God's commandments have no exceptions nor exemptions. Fornicators, thieves, blasphemers, etc... stop the fornicating, thieving, and blaspheming.

Eph 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Mat 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[ewq1938]

Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

They awake in heaven, where Paul said the new body is. Why not just accept what he wrote?"

Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

He also denies the wicked will resurrect so he does not understand what kinds of resurections will happen. God does not give everyone the same exact knowledge.

Isa 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

Isa 26:20

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Mat 27:59
And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
Jhn 20:3
Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre....Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Mat 28:5
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Luk 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

Jhn 20:27
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

What I really find interesting is not how wrong some people can be, but rather why would anyone believe anything so wrong about the Bible, that any child understands from the Bible?

The meat of the bible is not understood by children, or most people. Leave them to their lukewarm milk. That's all they can handle.

1Co 15:13
But if there be no resurrection of the dead (body), then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Adding to the bible again. The bodies of the saved dead are not resurrected. Paul said they get a new body which is in heaven.

 

[Rob7]

No one cares what you believe nor consider. Stop hypocritically calling us reprobates 'friend' Your reading of Scripture for hypocrisy, is as bad as your reading of Scripture for false doctrine.
Jesus still called Judas friend, while there was time for him to repent, and not betray Him to his enemies. After Judas did betray the Lord, then Jesus called him something entirely different:

( not hypocrisy )
I'am using friend, as did Jesus, towards Judas, as I said previous. Judas was following after the inclinations of Satan at that time. Put on your "spiritual lenses" and look at that verse you quoted, and you will see that Judas, was not going to "repent" as you suggest. and of course Jesus knew it.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. " ( scriptural prophecy being fulfilled )

Judas had to fulfill prophecy ( somebody had to ) and of course Jesus knew it and yet still referred to him as "friend" Judas was fulfilling prophecy, as the betrayer, the "son of perdition", Jesus also knew that the Papacy would later echo this same spirit of deception and betrayal, to be the latter days "Son of perdition" . The "false Prophets" (below verses) WILL FULFILL Bible Prophecy, as well, supporting the 'Son of perdition" the papal religious system, by their corruption of Truth (Scripture / Jesus), as did Judas betray the Son of God, Jesus.

"The act of calling Judas "friend" is interpreted by many as a profound expression of Jesus’ love, forgiveness, and commitment to fulfilling God’s redemptive plan, even through betrayal. Some scholars suggest this was not an expression of false intimacy but a call to conscience, challenging Judas to reflect on his actions. The statement is also viewed as a powerful example of loving one’s enemies and responding to evil with grace."

Matthew 7:15
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing (as professed Christians ) but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (ant-Christ)

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. ( many professing Jesus and His Truth, but adding corruption, to the Truth, to deceive and corrupt ) ( Test their spirit by comparing their doctrines to the Standard, The Word, Scripture )

Matthew 24:24
For false christs ( False Christians) and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. ( True Christians )

2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will (are) be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, ( destructive theological doctrines ) even denying the Master who bought them,( Jesus ) bringing upon themselves swift destruction. .. ( Judgement as such and perdition )

So, ATG ? How can you consider to yourself as a Protestant Christian, when you're conforming to the Counter Reformation efforts of the Roman Church, and NOT protesting the Antichrist, ... being a part of this present day ecumenical movement that is "returning to the Mother Church" after 500 years... This "Great Apostasy" ... ?? ATG ??

AND, I would be interested in your theological argument, using scriptural analysis, of how God changed the solemnity of the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday, OR by what authority, man changed God's Sabbath to a spurious man's sabbath, the pagan "Day of the Sun"? OR even, any scriptural justification for us to celebrate Christmas, which SEEMS to be, a Pagan Holiday, masquerading as Christian.

The "Pagan Day of the Sun" refers to Sunday, which was historically associated with the worship of the sun god in ancient Rome and other cultures. The Romans named Sunday "dies solis," meaning "day of the sun," and it was regarded as sacred to Sol Invictus, the "Unconquered Sun," a deity whose cult gained prominence under Emperor Aurelian in 274 AD, who declared December 25 as the birthday of Sol Invictus. This festival was celebrated with lights and revelry, and it was a significant pagan observance. The day was already considered holy by sun-worshipping pagans before the Christian adoption of Sunday, with some sources indicating that even before Constantine's decree, the day was observed with religious festivals, prayers, and partial cessation from labor. Emperor Constantine officially declared Sunday as the Roman day of rest in 321 AD, referring to it as "the venerable day of the sun" in his edict. This decision likely reflected a strategic effort to unify the Roman Empire by aligning the Christian observance of Sunday with an already established pagan festival, thereby facilitating the transition from paganism to Christianity. Some Christian theologians and historians argue that the Church later adopted December 25 as the date for Christmas to Christianize the existing pagan festival of Sol Invictus.

 

[Psalm1]

C'mon. Give someone a break. Why rain on a blessing parade? I mean, I could have asked him if he's also Jewish, or just acting like it. But why ruin the blessing? Afterall, we don't know that he's just trying to provoke us non-Sabbathing Christians...

Right now, it's midday, and the evening is coming. Tomorrow morning will be another day to praise the Lord!

Lol
I am referring to the believers rest of Hebrews ch 3 &4.

Why rain on that blessing?

Instruction is not your enemy.

 

[Psalm1]

I see that, outside of asking good questions for me to clarify, you are still incapable of acknowledging what I write, without fouling it with your own stuff...

The only problem here is your ideology of saints returning with the Lord, rather than waiting for Him on earth as exhorted. Which does not line up with Scripture at all.

""Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.""

We definately are indeed raptured into the air.
I suppose every one believes it.
As far as the saints in heaven as Jesus prophesied, and seen in Rev 19, they do return to earth, as did Noah ,"after the flood/trib/ 7yr trib/wrath," or whatever modern students now need the 7 yr trib to be.
Hard to reframe it.

Why make it "Scriptural correction"?

 

[Psalm1]

Correct .
Babylon is judge at the Lord's second coming.

Babylon is fallen after He comes again.



Yes the marriage supper is invited to as is written in Rev 19. The marriage supper is not already eaten. The marriage supper door is opened to the Lamb's betrothed on earth with the trump and voice of archangel's midnight call...

I would say the marriage supper of the Lamb is eaten with His resurrected saints on Mt Sion in the air. They sing the new marriage song of the Lamb.

Rev 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

QUOTE
""Yes the marriage supper is invited to as is written in Rev 19. The marriage supper is not already eaten. The marriage supper door is opened to the Lamb's betrothed on earth with the trump and voice of archangel's midnight call.""

No.
The wedding feast is in heaven.
Jesus prophesied it at the last supper.
The wedding feast is at the father's house ( heaven).

Do you know the purpose of the ;
7 yr Tribulation?....( Jacob's trouble)
The rapture? (The Gentile bride)
The 144,000? ( firstfruit Jews, then main harvest Jews)
The consummation? The Gentile bride OF THE SON...(RUTH AND BOAZ)
The return with the saints? REV 19
The millineal reign and kingdom?

God is a God of purpose and precision.

BTW, the bride has become the wife in Heaven prior to Rev 19.
The only reason people go against the bible and the obvious is due to doctrine.
IOW THEY NEED the wedding reast to be on earth. ( which no reasoning or verses)

The gathering TO HEAVEN, AT THE RAPTURE of 1 thes 4, is the gathering of the bride, BY THE GROOM,to the Father's house.

WE SEE roughly half the church stays behind.matt 24 and 25, luke 17.
They are not ready.
They are all martyred as the bible says.
...and attend the feast in heaven.
( the wedding guest parable)

Remember, God is a God of purpose.
The rapture gathering, and subsequent gathering of the martyrs ( the innumerable number with dirty robes) ....
IS THE TIME OF THE GENTILES COMPLETED.
That HAS TO HAPPEN, for the next era...".JACOBS TROUBLE/ ISRAEL'S TROUBLE".

That is the 2 covenants.
The 2 wives.

 

[Psalm1]

Now you're directly responding with a good question. Thanks.

'At His return' is in the air with clouds:

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

There is no 'travel-time' for the Lord between heaven and the earthly air, such as some kind of celestial travel of the mythical gods...

1Ki 18:27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

There is no celestial 'time gap' between the LORD of Lords departing from heaven, and coming to the earth in the air.

Jer 23:23
Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?

Even as the Word entered into the womb of the virgin at the Father's command, so shall the risen Son enter into the air at the Father's command.

The idea of 'travel-time' in Rev 19, is based upon mythology of travelling gods, and/or celestial carnal-mindedness about the Lord coming from heaven to the earth.

Therefore, at His return with clouds, the saints are resurrected and changed immortal on the earth, while every unbelieving eye sees and wails because of Him.

Then the saints rise to meet Him in the air from the four winds, escorted by His angels coming out of heaven with Him.

Then He and His saints descend to destroy the nations' armies, and cast the beast and false prophet into the LOF.

There's no time gap between coming from heaven to the earth again, but only between His appearing with glory from east to west, and destroying the armies gathered against Him.

Several things happen at once at His coming again: The eyes of all on earth seeing Him, and the resurrection and changing of the saints to rise and meet Him in the air where He is:

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

That is when the risen Lamb drinks the new fruit of the vine with His people, where His kingdom is in the air:

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Mat 6:10
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Ahem.
Rev 14: 14 has a gathering, BY JESUS, that is not, nor can it possibly be, the rapture of 1 thes 4.

The gathering of mat 24 after the trib is BY ANGELS IN HEAVEN.

So it is hard to wiggle out of clear scripture.

That is the problem.
(All the components ,not being on the table.)

 

[Psalm1]

False sloppy reading.

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

The Father's kingdom of God given to His risen Son, is the kingdom of Christ wheresoever He is:

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The saints are not recieved by the Lord, until He comes again...



False sloppy reading, The marriage supper is in the air at the Lord's return to earth, when He resurrects and receives His saints unto Himself where He is, in the air...

It's almost a rule, that sloppy readers of Scripture are also sloppy readers of teaching from Scripture.



The marriage consummation is at the archangel's midnight cry, with their entrance through the door to His kingdom by resurrection and change to immortality. They are practically at the same time between resurrection and change on earth, to rapture and marriage supper, song, and new fruit of the vine in the air...

Lol.
Sloppy reading is definitely your problem
"... that WHERE I AM YOU MAY BE ALSO."
"I GO ...TO MY FATHERS HOUSE TO BUILD YOU MANSIONS, IN HEAVEN."

The groom builds a house is FOR THE BRIDE TO DWELL IN HEAVEN.

Again ...hard to wiggle out of a no brainer.

 

[Psalm1]

That is false as you say it.

Well, I guess that's some kind of response to what I write. Even if it's a twisted version of your own...

Pot < > Kettle.
Sigh.
Maybe take your own advice?

 

[Psalm1]

Correct .
Babylon is judge at the Lord's second coming.

Babylon is fallen after He comes again.



Yes the marriage supper is invited to as is written in Rev 19. The marriage supper is not already eaten. The marriage supper door is opened to the Lamb's betrothed on earth with the trump and voice of archangel's midnight call...

I would say the marriage supper of the Lamb is eaten with His resurrected saints on Mt Sion in the air. They sing the new marriage song of the Lamb.

Rev 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Huh.
You posted only 144,000 can sing it, then suggest millions of saints sing it?

 

[Psalm1]

Now you're directly responding with a good question. Thanks.

'At His return' is in the air with clouds:

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

There is no 'travel-time' for the Lord between heaven and the earthly air, such as some kind of celestial travel of the mythical gods...

1Ki 18:27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

There is no celestial 'time gap' between the LORD of Lords departing from heaven, and coming to the earth in the air.

Jer 23:23
Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?

Even as the Word entered into the womb of the virgin at the Father's command, so shall the risen Son enter into the air at the Father's command.

The idea of 'travel-time' in Rev 19, is based upon mythology of travelling gods, and/or celestial carnal-mindedness about the Lord coming from heaven to the earth.

Therefore, at His return with clouds, the saints are resurrected and changed immortal on the earth, while every unbelieving eye sees and wails because of Him.

Then the saints rise to meet Him in the air from the four winds, escorted by His angels coming out of heaven with Him.

Then He and His saints descend to destroy the nations' armies, and cast the beast and false prophet into the LOF.

There's no time gap between coming from heaven to the earth again, but only between His appearing with glory from east to west, and destroying the armies gathered against Him.

Several things happen at once at His coming again: The eyes of all on earth seeing Him, and the resurrection and changing of the saints to rise and meet Him in the air where He is:

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

That is when the risen Lamb drinks the new fruit of the vine with His people, where His kingdom is in the air:

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Mat 6:10
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

QUOTE
""Therefore, at His return with clouds, the saints are resurrected and changed immortal on the earth, while every unbelieving eye sees and wails because of Him.""

There are 2 comings in mat 24

One in Rev 14:14.

That is three.
Hard to force it into one.
Actually nobody has ever done it.
They try and fail.
Weird all the stuff they conceive to make the 3 into one

 

[ATG]

They awake in heaven, where Paul said the new body is. Why not just accept what he wrote?"

I hardly ever accept what you say, because you rarely teach what God writes.

2Co 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

He also denies the wicked will resurrect so he does not understand what kinds of resurections will happen. God does not give everyone the same exact knowledge.

Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Isa 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

Dan 12 is for all the dead in graves awaking to judgment unto everlasting life or shame.

Is 26 is the context of the righteous rising to everlasting life, which the wicked shall not.

Dan 12 interprets Is 26. You reject Dan 12 to falsely interpret Is 26.

Adding to the bible again. The bodies of the saved dead are not resurrected. Paul said they get a new body which is in heaven.

Rejecting the Bible again, which I've already quoted to you enough.

 

[ATG]

( not hypocrisy )
I'am using friend, as did Jesus, towards Judas, as I said previous.

False. Jesus used son of perdition after judging Judas guilty for false arrest. Jesus never calls anyone friend, that He judges an antichrist corrupter of His church.

"The act of calling Judas "friend" is interpreted by many as a profound expression of Jesus’ love,

Correct. Giving Judas one last chance to repent, before doing evil with false arrest.

Without repentance, he is no more friend by son of perdition. So with any unrepentant false apostle and teacher.

2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jde 1:12
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

So, ATG ? How can you consider to yourself as a Protestant Christian, when you're conforming to the Counter Reformation efforts of the Roman Church, and NOT protesting the Antichrist, ... being a part of this present day ecumenical movement that is "returning to the Mother Church" after 500 years...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy

As I've said, and we see here, that you have no clue what I teach. Which is because you don't allow yourself to understand anything from the Bible, that rebukes your personal ideology.

"Great Apostasy" ... ?? ATG ??https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy
This is better. Call me whatever you want, just not friend. Personal accusations are nothing to me. But don't insult my intelligence in hypocrisy.

AND, I would be interested in your theological argument, using scriptural analysis,

By not directly addressing my previous Scriptural arguments, and only repeating yourself, I seriously doubt you will begin now.

of how God changed the solemnity of the Seventh Day Sabbath to Sunday,

The Lord's sabbath day was never changed in the OT.

The NT tradition of congregating on Sunday, is from the gathering of the disciples with Jesus on the first day of the week, after His resurrection.

OR even, any scriptural justification for us to celebrate Christmas, which SEEMS to be, a Pagan Holiday, masquerading as Christian.

Christians changing pagan holy days into their own worship days of Jesus Christ, is not idolatry, but community transformation from pagan to Christian.

I used to be part of the 'straightest sect' (As Paul would say) of Pentecostalism. We were as full of ourselves in false judgment of the liberty of other Christians, as Paul was in the religion of the Jews. Much like this 'Remnant Religion' of really special Saturday-Sabbath Adventists. They are a remnant of wanna-be Jews in Christian religion.

 

[ATG]

Lol
I am referring to the believers rest of Hebrews ch 3 &4.

Correct. It's not wrong to keep a Sabbath day or est, nor to be outwardly circumised. It only becomes heresy when taught as law, without which ye cannot be saved:

Act 15:1
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Plug in Sabbaths, food and clothing laws, etc...

Col 2:20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Col 2:21
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Why rain on that blessing?

Instruction is not your enemy.

Just piggy-backing on your rebuke of pseudo Christian Sabbath commandoes.

 

[ATG]

We definately are indeed raptured into the air.
I suppose every one believes it.

Not just them remain alive on earth at the Lord's return, but first all the dead in Christ resurrected to rise up together to meet Him.

Scriptures already quoted enough.

as did Noah ,"after the flood/trib/ 7yr trib/wrath,

Now, there is a similarity here, that I had not considered. Thanks.

Even as Noah Just rose by the ark above the flood waters, to return to the earth and repopulate all nations. All the resurrected and changes saints will rise by the rapture above the earth, to return from the air and rule with the Lord all the nations.

None of them bodily leave the earth, to return from heaven. (With perhaps the exception of Enoch and Elijah...)

 

[ewq1938]

I hardly ever accept what you say, because you rarely teach what God writes.

Ditto.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

The new body is in heaven! Here Paul uses an analogy of a building, house and tabernacle to represent a physical body. One of these is an "earthly house" meaning the mortal flesh body we are born into and then a heavenly house which is in heaven that represents the new immortal body. This speaks of when a saved human's body dies (dissolved) that there is another body in heaven waiting for them and the time of Resurrection. There is nothing in the passage about the person's spirit returning to their dissolved/dead body and it being brought back to life. Paul speaks of a different body that already exists in heaven.

Paul knew he wasn't returning to his old body.

He speaks of the mortal body being dissolved and a new body that is waiting in heaven. Clearly that is not bringing the dissolved body back to life and changing it which would eliminate the need for the new body in heaven that he mentions.

2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Paul writes that he desires to be clothed with the house from Heaven and says it is eternal in Heaven. That's the resurrection body and it is from heaven not from the Earth nor from an Earthly grave.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The dead saints that resurrect are not brought to Jesus in a rapture but are brought with Jesus before the rapture even begins. That's a very important thing to recognize. Only those living saints are raptured and brought to Jesus and those he brought with him from heaven.

 

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""Yes the marriage supper is invited to as is written in Rev 19. The marriage supper is not already eaten. The marriage supper door is opened to the Lamb's betrothed on earth with the trump and voice of archangel's midnight call.""
No.
The wedding feast is in heaven.

Na-ah and repeating yourself is not an answer to a challenge. Avoiding challenges head on is by lack of confidencd3e and fear of correction.

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Jesus prophesied it at the last supper.

Jesus prophesied drinking it new in the kingdom of God, when He comes again to receive His saints to Himself.
Mat 24:29
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our

The wedding feast is at the father's house ( heaven).

The many mansions in the Father's house is in New Jerusalem on the new earth.

IOW THEY NEED the wedding reast to be on earth. ( which no reasoning or verses)

Continuing to misrepresent others after being corrected, is on purpose.

WE SEE roughly half the church stays behind.matt 24 and 25, luke 17.
They are not ready.

We see all the faithful wheat of Jesus Christ is harvested into the air.

The unfaithful tares are rejected and appointed with the hypocrites and wrath.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

They are all martyred as the bible says.

Many have been and will be martyred in these last days, until the Lord returns.

After he comes and raptures His church, some unbelievers will convert to the Lord during the hour of judgment upon the earth, and then also will be martyred:

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Though they will not have part in the first blessed resurrection of the church, their works will follow them to the next resurrection of the rest of the dead, when they are found written in the Lamb's book of life...

...and attend the feast in heaven.
( the wedding guest parable)

The feast in the air. The midnight cry parable.

The wedding guest parable is a gathering and separation on earth before His judgment seat.
Mat 22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Mat 22:11
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:28
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Presumptively moving the dinner to heaven, is only by self-made interpretation.

IS THE TIME OF THE GENTILES COMPLETED.

The time of grafted Jews and Gentiles coming in to the olive tree body of Christ, is completed at His second coming to rapture them into the air with Him.

Rom 11:18
The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith… And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

That HAS TO HAPPEN, for the next era...".JACOBS TROUBLE/ ISRAEL'S TROUBLE".

Jacob's trouble was persecution of Jews before the Lord comes in the flesh. Jacob is now Israel's trouble in these last days, until the Lord comes again with power.

2Ti 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Matth 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Interpreting fulfillment of prophecy during NT times, by excluding NT doctrine, is to make on none effect the crucifixion and resurrection fo the Lamb of God...

That is the 2 covenants.
The 2 wives.

Any two covenants on earth at the same time, with separate two wives for people divided by flesh alone, is the two headed beast of another god and christ, not the one new Covenant and faith of the living God and resurrected Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:2
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only one faith of one covenant with one body and Head Jesus Christ on earth. With one baptism and circumcision of the Spirit for all Jews and Gentiles coming in to His Israel of God.

Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

 

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Ahem.
Rev 14: 14 has a gathering, BY JESUS, that is not, nor can it possibly be, the rapture of 1 thes 4.

Correct. The rapture is from the 4 corners of the earth into the air. The escort of angels from the 4 winds is to meet Jesus where He is.

Most likely after Mid-East Judea.

The gathering of mat 24 after the trib is BY ANGELS IN HEAVEN.

The gathering of mat 24 after the trib is BY ANGELS escorting resurrected saints in the air.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mot false interpretation is not by taking Jesus at His word.