Rapists Cannot Be Saved

[noblenut]

Yeah, I said it. If anyone wants to prove me otherwise, come at me.

Rapists are no longer human and do not deserve our sympathy or even salvation. Yes. I said it. Rapists are monsters deserving of the lowest depths of hell. I hope they fry and I hope they rot.

How would you feel if someone forced you to drink, raped you brutally, took a video of it, showed it around the school, had everyone in the school viciously bully you and tell you to murder yourself? Yeah, that happened. It still happens.

People like that honestly don't even deserve to live. They deserve their suffering and their misery. They deserve to be handed over to Satan and slowly beaten to a bloody pulp and their heads split open.

i couldn't agree more and i would put child molesters in with them, such people a Godless and have fully committed to the work of satan and reject Jesus by their actions. it says to despise a vile man and we do not have to forgive everyone indiscriminately. people have to be accountable for their actions and great evil incurs great wath

 

[noblenut]

This may sound like a shock to everyone.

I have never been raped. Never been molested. Nothing. I grew up in Mr. Rogers Neighborhood practically.

Why must I personally need to go through some horrible abuse to be angry about it? That's the burden of empathy.

I am simply a Christian who does not sugarcoat my worldview because it makes me comfy. No, I accept things as they are, not how I want them to be.

I want to challenge you all, look up the story of the Levite's concubine in the book of Judges. You've probably never heard of it, and that's because it's a lovely little story about a woman who's brutally gang-raped to death, her body is cut up into pieces and sent throughout Israel, and this prompts the tribes to go to war with each other resulting in even more rape.

The Bible doesn't censor the diabolical evil things that human beings are capable of, and neither should we.

I honestly sometimes wish we could return to the days of the Old Testament, when God actually did get angry. We may think, "Oh, he was so harsh in the Old Testament." Yeah, he was harsh because he was dealing with terrible, TERRIBLE people!

i have this same discussion at bible study all the time about unforgivable sins, i truly believe that some evils are truly unforgivable and this is a theme both in the old and new testimate, we have become to soft on abominable behavior and fully agree with u

 

[HistoryPrincess]

i have this same discussion at bible study all the time about unforgivable sins, i truly believe that some evils are truly unforgivable and this is a theme both in the old and new testimate, we have become to soft on abominable behavior and fully agree with u

Jesus never talked about converting wolves.

 

[noblenut]

Jesus never talked about converting wolves.

and what was it that john the baptist said about vipers?

 

[noblenut]

All sinners deserve to be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire.. But God is as loving as He is Just.. So He has made a way for even rapists to be saved.. By repenting and believing Jesus and trusting in the atonement Jesus secured for their salvation..

There is only one sin revealed by Jesus that will never be forgiven and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. All others are forgivable through Jesus..

actually john 1 makes a distinction between sin that does not lead to death and sin that does and sin the leads to death u do not even pray for because the people that do it are already dead, this was in relation to agnostics, there's also corrupting children which Jesus said would incur great wath, betraying a righteous man to death which is what Judas did and look what happened to him and lying to God which is what ananias and his wife did and were struck down

 

[Adstar]

actually john 1 makes a distinction between sin that does not lead to death and sin that does and sin the leads to death u do not even pray for because the people that do it are already dead, this was in relation to agnostics, there's also corrupting children which Jesus said would incur great wath, betraying a righteous man to death which is what Judas did and look what happened to him and lying to God which is what ananias and his wife did and were struck down

Physical death is not the same as the second death which is etenity in the lake of fire..

Being agnostic is not the unforgivable sin.. There are many former agnostics who eventually came to belief and accept the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. So they became saved..

Any unforgiven sin will see one cast into the eternal Lake of fire..

 

[CharliRenee]

Yeah, I said it. If anyone wants to prove me otherwise, come at me.

Rapists are no longer human and do not deserve our sympathy or even salvation. Yes. I said it. Rapists are monsters deserving of the lowest depths of hell. I hope they fry and I hope they rot.

How would you feel if someone forced you to drink, raped you brutally, took a video of it, showed it around the school, had everyone in the school viciously bully you and tell you to murder yourself? Yeah, that happened. It still happens.

People like that honestly don't even deserve to live. They deserve their suffering and their misery. They deserve to be handed over to Satan and slowly beaten to a bloody pulp and their heads split open.

I understand these feelings you are having, truly I do. I am so sorry that you are feeling so hurt and violated. I completely understand. Healing takes time. I will pray for you and for all on the receiving end of this kind of darkness. He can heal you and the perpetrators. I find that to show us how big and beautiful He is. Again. I am sorry for your pain and suffering and if you ever need to talk, I am here. God Bless you Sis, for your transparency, deep breath of Love and mercy to you.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

I understand these feelings you are having, truly I do. I am so sorry that you are feeling so hurt and violated. I completely understand. Healing takes time. I will pray for you and for all on the receiving end of this kind of darkness. He can heal you and the perpetrators. I find that to show us how big and beautiful He is. Again. I am sorry for your pain and suffering and if you ever need to talk, I am here. God Bless you Sis, for your transparency, deep breath of Love and mercy to you.

You didn't read any of the other posts? This didn't actually happen to me. But I know it happened to someone else.

 

[CharliRenee]

You didn't read any of the other posts? This didn't actually happen to me. But I know it happened to someone else.

Oh sorry, you are right...I didn't read all your other posts. If it is ok, I am going to share a little about my story.

When I was 18, almost 19, I was raped by 6 boys around my age at that time. It rocked my world, in such a traumatic way that sometimes still haunts me. Anyway, I jumped into a marriage before my 19th birthday because I was a mess. My hubby ended up molesting my daughter when she was 3.5. He plead guilty when I was pregnant with my second daughter. I got a divorce and boy did I go down a rocky road for awhile, taking my daughters with me. I kept making things worse, so many poor choices. I am so guilty. I finally ended up living in sin with a guy that beat me up, and I felt I deserved it. Close to 15 years ago, I fell to my knees, asking God for mercy. Boy did He help. I walked away from drugs, and almost 7 years ago with men. The abusive relationship lasted a few years more, but God helped me to walk away. I put an imaginary out of order, (so much baggage) sign in front me, and devoted my life to God. I was a mess and still reep some of what I sowed when I see my daughters trying to heal. We are very close today. I am in awe still today how restorative my Lord has been. I love that verse in luke 7 about how much forgiveness can lead to a greater to capacity to love. I'm sharing all this because I get it, plus it is my testimony so I feel it important to share because I know first hand how glorious His mercy and healing are. I now have a full life, trying to give back and to serve, basically to be an ambassador for Christ, my Lord and Savior.

I apologize for not reading all your posts and I understand your anger. I think the despicable darkness in this world is unforgivable outside of Him.
I take comfort serving a God so full of compassion and mercy that He gave up His son to forgive us enough to come live within us, enabling our capacities to extend mercy. Not for the sin, but for the sinners. You may not be as guilty as me, sister, but I know I am so very guilty. I am beyond humbled by how generous and forgiving He has been with me.

Thanks for reading and I hope that it is ok that I share. I am currently seeking professional Christian counseling to deal with stuff, which had I done that, years ago...well anyway, i recommend your friend get help, sooner than later.

Maybe you are being called to a ministry to help others in this area. It seems you have a heart for victims. I remember that the devil is the initial perpetrator of all darkness in this fallen world and will be dealt with in time as will all who side with Him.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

Oh sorry, you are right...I didn't read all your other posts. If it is ok, I am going to share a little about my story.

When I was 18, almost 19, I was raped by 6 boys around my age at that time. It rocked my world, in such a traumatic way that sometimes still haunts me. Anyway, I jumped into a marriage before my 19th birthday because I was a mess. My hubby ended up molesting my daughter when she was 3.5. He plead guilty when I was pregnant with my second daughter. I got a divorce and boy did I go down a rocky road for awhile, taking my daughters with me. I kept making things worse, so many poor choices. I am so guilty. I finally ended up living in sin with a guy that beat me up, and I felt I deserved it. Close to 15 years ago, I fell to my knees, asking God for mercy. Boy did He help. I walked away from drugs, and almost 7 years ago with men. The abusive relationship lasted a few years more, but God helped me to walk away. I put an imaginary out of order, (so much baggage) sign in front me, and devoted my life to God. I was a mess and still reep some of what I sowed when I see my daughters trying to heal. We are very close today. I am in awe still today how restorative my Lord has been. I love that verse in luke 7 about how much forgiveness can lead to a greater to capacity to love. I'm sharing all this because I get it, plus it is my testimony so I feel it important to share because I know first hand how glorious His mercy and healing are. I now have a full life, trying to give back and to serve, basically to be an ambassador for Christ, my Lord and Savior.

I apologize for not reading all your posts and I understand your anger. I think the despicable darkness in this world is unforgivable outside of Him.
I take comfort serving a God so full of compassion and mercy that He gave up His son to forgive us enough to come live within us, enabling our capacities to extend mercy. Not for the sin, but for the sinners. You may not be as guilty as me, sister, but I know I am so very guilty. I am beyond humbled by how generous and forgiving He has been with me.

Thanks for reading and I hope that it is ok that I share. I am currently seeking professional Christian counseling to deal with stuff, which had I done that, years ago...well anyway, i recommend your friend get help, sooner than later.

Maybe you are being called to a ministry to help others in this area. It seems you have a heart for victims. I remember that the devil is the initial perpetrator of all darkness in this fallen world and will be dealt with in time as will all who side with Him.

I'm terribly sorry that happened to you. Some people are just sadists.

I honestly don't know if I can work in such a ministry. I'm easily overwhelmed by empathy, and that tends to make my depression worse.

Still, when I heard about the h*ll of a life my friend across the Atlantic was forced to live at home and at school, I literally wanted to find her parents, slap them both in the face so hard it draws blood, and tell them she deserves better parents than a selfish jack*ss and an insufferable b*tch.

 

[Socreta93]

Glad to know you made yourself known to be judge and jury of someones salvation

 

[PennEd]

Thanks again for understanding.

I don't know if I want to get involved in advocacy. Like I said, I value empathy, but when I experience too much of it I start to get depressed. And now I just feel like an idiot for saying those things.

Nah. No worries! Ask my wife how many ridiculously stupid things I've said over the years. All forgotten and we move on.

 

[PennEd]

Oh sorry, you are right...I didn't read all your other posts. If it is ok, I am going to share a little about my story.

When I was 18, almost 19, I was raped by 6 boys around my age at that time. It rocked my world, in such a traumatic way that sometimes still haunts me. Anyway, I jumped into a marriage before my 19th birthday because I was a mess. My hubby ended up molesting my daughter when she was 3.5. He plead guilty when I was pregnant with my second daughter. I got a divorce and boy did I go down a rocky road for awhile, taking my daughters with me. I kept making things worse, so many poor choices. I am so guilty. I finally ended up living in sin with a guy that beat me up, and I felt I deserved it. Close to 15 years ago, I fell to my knees, asking God for mercy. Boy did He help. I walked away from drugs, and almost 7 years ago with men. The abusive relationship lasted a few years more, but God helped me to walk away. I put an imaginary out of order, (so much baggage) sign in front me, and devoted my life to God. I was a mess and still reep some of what I sowed when I see my daughters trying to heal. We are very close today. I am in awe still today how restorative my Lord has been. I love that verse in luke 7 about how much forgiveness can lead to a greater to capacity to love. I'm sharing all this because I get it, plus it is my testimony so I feel it important to share because I know first hand how glorious His mercy and healing are. I now have a full life, trying to give back and to serve, basically to be an ambassador for Christ, my Lord and Savior.

I apologize for not reading all your posts and I understand your anger. I think the despicable darkness in this world is unforgivable outside of Him.
I take comfort serving a God so full of compassion and mercy that He gave up His son to forgive us enough to come live within us, enabling our capacities to extend mercy. Not for the sin, but for the sinners. You may not be as guilty as me, sister, but I know I am so very guilty. I am beyond humbled by how generous and forgiving He has been with me.

Thanks for reading and I hope that it is ok that I share. I am currently seeking professional Christian counseling to deal with stuff, which had I done that, years ago...well anyway, i recommend your friend get help, sooner than later.

Maybe you are being called to a ministry to help others in this area. It seems you have a heart for victims. I remember that the devil is the initial perpetrator of all darkness in this fallen world and will be dealt with in time as will all who side with Him.

Dear Lord, I'm so terribly sorry you went through all that!It was painful just reading about!

What a testament though that you are not bitter, love the Lord so passionately, and are such a kind, graceFULL lady!

 

[CharliRenee]

Dear Lord, I'm so terribly sorry you went through all that!It was painful just reading about!

What a testament though that you are not bitter, love the Lord so passionately, and are such a kind, graceFULL lady!

Well thank you, much appreciated, all because of Him. He saved me and mine, so righteously. He is such a miracle. I am sooooo grateful. God Bless you, Brother.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Oh sorry, you are right...I didn't read all your other posts. If it is ok, I am going to share a little about my story.

When I was 18, almost 19, I was raped by 6 boys around my age at that time. It rocked my world, in such a traumatic way that sometimes still haunts me. Anyway, I jumped into a marriage before my 19th birthday because I was a mess. My hubby ended up molesting my daughter when she was 3.5. He plead guilty when I was pregnant with my second daughter. I got a divorce and boy did I go down a rocky road for awhile, taking my daughters with me. I kept making things worse, so many poor choices. I am so guilty. I finally ended up living in sin with a guy that beat me up, and I felt I deserved it. Close to 15 years ago, I fell to my knees, asking God for mercy. Boy did He help. I walked away from drugs, and almost 7 years ago with men. The abusive relationship lasted a few years more, but God helped me to walk away. I put an imaginary out of order, (so much baggage) sign in front me, and devoted my life to God. I was a mess and still reep some of what I sowed when I see my daughters trying to heal. We are very close today. I am in awe still today how restorative my Lord has been. I love that verse in luke 7 about how much forgiveness can lead to a greater to capacity to love. I'm sharing all this because I get it, plus it is my testimony so I feel it important to share because I know first hand how glorious His mercy and healing are. I now have a full life, trying to give back and to serve, basically to be an ambassador for Christ, my Lord and Savior.

I apologize for not reading all your posts and I understand your anger. I think the despicable darkness in this world is unforgivable outside of Him.
I take comfort serving a God so full of compassion and mercy that He gave up His son to forgive us enough to come live within us, enabling our capacities to extend mercy. Not for the sin, but for the sinners. You may not be as guilty as me, sister, but I know I am so very guilty. I am beyond humbled by how generous and forgiving He has been with me.

Thanks for reading and I hope that it is ok that I share. I am currently seeking professional Christian counseling to deal with stuff, which had I done that, years ago...well anyway, i recommend your friend get help, sooner than later.

Maybe you are being called to a ministry to help others in this area. It seems you have a heart for victims. I remember that the devil is the initial perpetrator of all darkness in this fallen world and will be dealt with in time as will all who side with Him.

Not making fun of your story but, I've been out of order since the day I was born.. lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

I'm terribly sorry that happened to you. Some people are just sadists.

I honestly don't know if I can work in such a ministry. I'm easily overwhelmed by empathy, and that tends to make my depression worse.

Still, when I heard about the h*ll of a life my friend across the Atlantic was forced to live at home and at school, I literally wanted to find her parents, slap them both in the face so hard it draws blood, and tell them she deserves better parents than a selfish jack*ss and an insufferable b*tch.

HP, alot of people are just seriously mucked up in the head. That type of behavior is witnessed, learned, lived and passed on. My rapist is definitely mucked up and to be blunt, I'm shocked no one has put a bullet in his brain yet. His parents beat and molested him, so that's where he learned, and later repeated that behavior. God allows evil to happen, for reasons that sometimes only He gets to know.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

HP, alot of people are just seriously mucked up in the head. That type of behavior is witnessed, learned, lived and passed on. My rapist is definitely mucked up and to be blunt, I'm shocked no one has put a bullet in his brain yet. His parents beat and molested him, so that's where he learned, and later repeated that behavior. God allows evil to happen, for reasons that sometimes only He gets to know.

No, we know why bad things happen. It's because Satan is the prince in this world. Adam and Eve originally had rule over the world, and when they fell, they gave that right to Satan.

In Job (probably the most misunderstood book in the Old Testament) when God says, "All he has is within your power," to Satan, he wasn't giving him permission, he was stating a fact. And God does not "give and take away." God gives and Satan takes away. Job had no knowledge of Satan.

I don't give a SH*T if he was beaten or molested as a child! There is NO EXCUSE for this type of behavior!

 

[blue_ladybug]

I agree 1000%. There is no excuse for that type of behavior. But there's also no excuse for wishing harm and dismemberment upon those types of people, either.

All we can do is pray for them and hope that God can change them, or that they will be stopped one way or another.

IMO, we need to bring back the electric chair, firing squad, and gallows.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Watch your language. There's no need to swear..

 

[Demi777]

I was raped, choked and hurt. That doesnt give me a right to bring condemnation over people. It doesnt give me the right to curse and speak death over people. It doesnt give mea right either to spread hatred.

Again and again you come to bring condemnation.
I dont see empathy in your posts. Your just using it to stir and bring division.
I do not see the fruit of the spirit of God here. Its disturbing