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I would like to know if what I think is heresy. How can we know, in fact, if something is heretical?
I believe that every human being is allowed to have a minimum of self-love—a kind of appreciation for one's own life that sustains it, that prevents suicide or the total depreciation of God's work. Including the ungodly, even if they do not have the true source of love. Is thinking like this heresy?
the top way to know what is an evil spirit, thought or idea its to become a born again Christian. being born again means you have the Holy Spirit living inside of you, with you, for the remainder of your life. now, 1st John chapter 4 verse 4, teaches on how to discern the spirits, whether they are evil or of God. "depreciation of God's work"...... ? that sounds like you disagree with what God says or does. we may not like this or that that God allows but our understanding can't comprehend God's ways all the time. for instance, i hope we all don't like the fact that everyone is not healed physically. people born with defects that are never healed, how can you "like" that? but that doesn't mean we don't love God. all husbands don't like everything their wives say or do & vise-versa. the ungodly are loved by Jesus just the same as believers. they haven't love because they received, ridiculed & rejected God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit.
 
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Yes , people who r hard on themselves r often hard on others also . People who know how to b kind to themselves usually know how to b kind to others , though they may not always do so 🙄 .
interesting. there's some wisdom in that suze. i will cogitate on your statement suze. i'm very hard on myself to be responsible, work properly, be disciplined & all that goes with that. & in return, i'm hard on others. discipline i learned from mom, from dad, always do your best no matter what it is. a g.f. once told me i'm too hard on people. i don't think so, my level of discipline, i think is normal, in other words, like a "military" discipline. there's absolutely no reason for me to allow anyone to slow me down. i never thought about being kind to myself & i never thought about loving myself. i just do what has to be done & move on without complaint.
 
interesting. there's some wisdom in that suze. i will cogitate on your statement suze. i'm very hard on myself to be responsible, work properly, be disciplined & all that goes with that. & in return, i'm hard on others. discipline i learned from mom, from dad, always do your best no matter what it is. a g.f. once told me i'm too hard on people. i don't think so, my level of discipline, i think is normal, in other words, like a "military" discipline. there's absolutely no reason for me to allow anyone to slow me down. i never thought about being kind to myself & i never thought about loving myself. i just do what has to be done & move on without complaint.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with living your life to your own standards , the problems may come if u try to impose your standards on other people who r just trying to live their own lives to their own standards that may not b the same as yours .
If u don't know what might make u feel happy in any given situation , then u may not know how to please or make someone else happy . Something small and silly , first thing I want when I wake up is a big drink of water so , I always get hubby one and put it on his bed side table in case he feels the same as me . It makes me happy , maybe it will make him happy too . Little touches like that r the grease in the wheels of relationships I think . I hate to b asked personal questions by people that I don't know well so , I don't ask others personal questions unless I'm very sure that they won't mind . I hate it , maybe others do too ? Just silly little stuff but it may make someone feel as if u c them and respect them . It's basically just do unto others...
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with living your life to your own standards , the problems may come if u try to impose your standards on other people who r just trying to live their own lives to their own standards that may not b the same as yours .
If u don't know what might make u feel happy in any given situation , then u may not know how to please or make someone else happy . Something small and silly , first thing I want when I wake up is a big drink of water so , I always get hubby one and put it on his bed side table in case he feels the same as me . It makes me happy , maybe it will make him happy too . Little touches like that r the grease in the wheels of relationships I think . I hate to b asked personal questions by people that I don't know well so , I don't ask others personal questions unless I'm very sure that they won't mind . I hate it , maybe others do too ? Just silly little stuff but it may make someone feel as if u c them and respect them . It's basically just do unto others...

Regarding "There is absolutely nothing wrong with living your life to your own standards": That depends on what your standards are.
 
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with living your life to your own standards , the problems may come if u try to impose your standards on other people who r just trying to live their own lives to their own standards that may not b the same as yours .
If u don't know what might make u feel happy in any given situation , then u may not know how to please or make someone else happy . Something small and silly , first thing I want when I wake up is a big drink of water so , I always get hubby one and put it on his bed side table in case he feels the same as me . It makes me happy , maybe it will make him happy too . Little touches like that r the grease in the wheels of relationships I think . I hate to b asked personal questions by people that I don't know well so , I don't ask others personal questions unless I'm very sure that they won't mind . I hate it , maybe others do too ? Just silly little stuff but it may make someone feel as if u c them and respect them . It's basically just do unto others...
example: my employees in the landscape business. by all means, a 20 year old should be working faster than me ( i'm 66 ), or quite close to my speed. when they don't, something is wrong. so i expect them to work fast. i've told some of them plain & simple: "you are slow, why are you working so slow"? what you get around the middle of New York is a large amount of drunkards & druggers. a fact: when you work fast or as fast as you can, you are a happier person. i have a list of what makes me happy & i thank Jesus for them. very wise about the water. some doctors say the 1st thing to do in the morn, is drink water because it clears out the brain, begins being alert. cutely said.
 
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Compare what one believes to the message of the Bible.. Are your beliefs in alignment with the Word of God?? Thats a question we should be asking ourselves and investigating with genuine honesty..



Well i believe we should be forgiving towards our own faults and failings because the LORD Jesus is forgiving towards our faults and failings and who am i to be unforgiving towards myself when Jesus has forgiven me.. Forgiveness is part of being loving.. Now some people confuse love with Admiration.. If someone admires their faults and failings then thats a big problem in regards to Gods will.. So the most important thing when one talks about Love is what one believes Love actually is? We all need to assess ourselves on this one..



Got to be careful with this one.. Biblically speaking we should not love our life in this fallen faulty state in this sabotaged creation.. Yeah we should be thankful that the LORD gave us our existence but we should be looking forward with appreciation for our Next Life in Eternity when we really will be the awesome people we long to be.. So yeah we should appreciate God who sustains our existence even though our best lives are yet to be experienced..

Well yes suicide is self murder and a sin so avoiding murder is a good thing..



Jesus laid down His life for the ungodly so He loves us enough to die for us..



God knows.. Make sure you ask Him to correct any faulty thoughts you have.. But in any case if your believe Jesus and trust in His atonement you will be forgiven your faulty thoughts as long as they are not heretical beliefs in regard to doctrines of salvational importance..

Using the scriptures to determine what is a heresy is all well and good, but whose interpretation of what the scriptures mean should be used? The Christian denominations what support infant baptism use the scriptures to defend their position, as do those denominations who insist on baptism at a more mature age. How about the Lord's Supper, some claim it is truly the body and blood while others claim it is just symbolic, yet both groups use scripture to support their claims. The Arians defended Jesus's humanity using scripture, yet it is classified as a heresy, as are many other positions that were and are defended using scripture. So whose interpretation of scripture defines what is heresy?
 
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Using the scriptures to determine what is a heresy is all well and good, but whose interpretation of what the scriptures mean should be used? The Christian denominations what support infant baptism use the scriptures to defend their position, as do those denominations who insist on baptism at a more mature age. How about the Lord's Supper, some claim it is truly the body and blood while others claim it is just symbolic, yet both groups use scripture to support their claims. The Arians defended Jesus's humanity using scripture, yet it is classified as a heresy, as are many other positions that were and are defended using scripture. So whose interpretation of scripture defines what is heresy?
perhaps, no human's interpretation. find out what Jesus said. we have 2nd Timothy 2:7 & 15 to assist.
 
perhaps, no human's interpretation. find out what Jesus said. we have 2nd Timothy 2:7 & 15 to assist.

Something that is easy to say but can be very difficult to achieve. 2 Timothy 2:7 references Paul's words, and at times Paul claims to be giving his own opinion on what to do, not God's and verse 15 just calls on one to do their best so as to have their work approved, yet neither really addresses which interpretations are correct, just that one should strive to find the correct interpretation. As for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which some also claim, unless one has the clear ability to discern spirits, something lacking in several churches at all levels, how can one be certain when it is the Holy Spirit as opposed to a lying spirit that seeks to deceive by using the scriptures with just a slight twist in the interpretation? Remember just a tenth of a degree in error (often far less) on a space launch can mean the difference between success and absolute failure
 
I know that quite a few people here are rationalizing it very well that it's cool to love yourself and take care of you first. I.m sorry my Brothers & Sisters but you are all wrong.

Surely you can show me a scripture to support your claim?

I posted scriptures backing my claim and no hard feelings but you guys are wrong.

It says to love others as ourselves, not more than ourselves. He that puts others above his family to their hurt is worse than an infidel.
 
Something that is easy to say but can be very difficult to achieve. 2 Timothy 2:7 references Paul's words, and at times Paul claims to be giving his own opinion on what to do, not God's and verse 15 just calls on one to do their best so as to have their work approved, yet neither really addresses which interpretations are correct, just that one should strive to find the correct interpretation. As for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which some also claim, unless one has the clear ability to discern spirits, something lacking in several churches at all levels, how can one be certain when it is the Holy Spirit as opposed to a lying spirit that seeks to deceive by using the scriptures with just a slight twist in the interpretation? Remember just a tenth of a degree in error (often far less) on a space launch can mean the difference between success and absolute failure
sounds like a "paralysis by analysis" episode. just be natural about this. don't over play it. wow, aren't you a Christian? you seem to be embroiled in defeat. if i don't understand something, i don't fret about it or worry. just relax. peace to you.
 
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you rephrase that?

Love your neighbor in the same manner you love yourself.

For the whole law in one account is fulfilled, in the saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Galatians 5:14

As
G5613 ὡς hos (hōs) adv.
which how, i.e. in that manner (very variously used, as follows

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Timothy 5:8

Infidel
G571 ἄπιστος apistos (a'-piy-stos) adj.
1. (actively) disbelieving, i.e. without Christian faith.
2. (specially) a heathen
3. (passively) untrustworthy (person) or unbelievable, incredible (thing
 
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Something that is easy to say but can be very difficult to achieve. 2 Timothy 2:7 references Paul's words, and at times Paul claims to be giving his own opinion on what to do, not God's and verse 15 just calls on one to do their best so as to have their work approved, yet neither really addresses which interpretations are correct, just that one should strive to find the correct interpretation. As for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which some also claim, unless one has the clear ability to discern spirits, something lacking in several churches at all levels, how can one be certain when it is the Holy Spirit as opposed to a lying spirit that seeks to deceive by using the scriptures with just a slight twist in the interpretation? Remember just a tenth of a degree in error (often far less) on a space launch can mean the difference between success and absolute failure


I agree with @Karlon - don't stress out over stuff. Give it all to Jesus and trust Him to sort it out. And stick closely to Him.

I.f you want to get to know God and love truth, He will protect that in you.


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I would like to know if what I think is heresy. How can we know, in fact, if something is heretical?
I believe that every human being is allowed to have a minimum of self-love—a kind of appreciation for one's own life that sustains it, that prevents suicide or the total depreciation of God's work. Including the ungodly, even if they do not have the true source of love. Is thinking like this heresy?
What I see is:
God just loves everyone, proven through Son's done work for everyone to believe he is risen and only wants what is best for everyone
A new life in love for everyone, being given to see God's charitable love. not this worlds definition of love
 
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I agree with @Karlon - don't stress out over stuff. Give it all to Jesus and trust Him to sort it out. And stick closely to Him.

I.f you want to get to know God and love truth, He will protect that in you.


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@nd Time and Karlon, when I love someone, I want to know everything I can about them. I do not find such an attitude to be stressful or fretful, I feel sorry for you two if you do. I also know that there will be people who, for one reason or another, will be jealous of me and might well be willing to feed me, if not actually false, clearly misleading, information about that individual, and I will actively try to sort out what is true and what is misleading. Again, if you do not, I feel sorry for you.

I also recognize that I know when people who claim to love me accept false or misleading information about me, I can recognize it by what they do or say. It does not change my love for them, but it does tell me about their love for me.
 
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@nd Time and Karlon, when I love someone, I want to know everything I can about them. I do not find such an attitude to be stressful or fretful, I feel sorry for you two if you do. I also know that there will be people who, for one reason or another, will be jealous of me and might well be willing to feed me, if not actually false, clearly misleading, information about that individual, and I will actively try to sort out what is true and what is misleading. Again, if you do not, I feel sorry for you.

I also recognize that I know when people who claim to love me accept false or misleading information about me, I can recognize it by what they do or say. It does not change my love for them, but it does tell me about their love for me.
i'm never stressful or fretful. this is what i'm teaching you. you should have discerned that from my posting. blessings to you.
 
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You can't say I want to be a Christain and be saved. I also want to put me first...?? If you have to ask, you already know the answer Sister!


"Hey what an easy way to get the Lord Jesus into my life and not have to change anything about my life at the same time! I'll love myself and put myself first!"

"What part of these verses say you can love yourself and put yourself first?"

"I know that quite a few people here are rationalizing it very well that it's cool to love yourself and take care of you first."

Hi Edward, I haven't seen anyone saying it's OK to put yourself first, yet you have mentioned it at least 4 times and claimed that "quite a few people here are rationalizing that it's cool"

if I missed something please provide the actual quote, so we know what post(s) you are referring to.

I know for certain the OP only asked about a modicum of self-love that would not necessarily mean putting herself first, so please respect her actual words instead of adding to them and claiming that's what she meant. 😊

Perhaps you do not feel it is possible to love yourself and also deny yourself. I disagree.

Isn't it possible to love your children and also deny them certain things?

Loving something does not mean indulging it with everything it wants.
 
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@nd Time and Karlon, when I love someone, I want to know everything I can about them. I do not find such an attitude to be stressful or fretful, I feel sorry for you two if you do. I also know that there will be people who, for one reason or another, will be jealous of me and might well be willing to feed me, if not actually false, clearly misleading, information about that individual, and I will actively try to sort out what is true and what is misleading. Again, if you do not, I feel sorry for you.

I also recognize that I know when people who claim to love me accept false or misleading information about me, I can recognize it by what they do or say. It does not change my love for them, but it does tell me about their love for me.

No, i don't stress out on the things you talked about.

You just gave me the impression that you were. That's why was trying to comfort and encourage you.


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I believe that every human being is allowed to have a minimum of self-love—a kind of appreciation for one's own life that sustains

Hi Edward, I haven't seen anyone saying it's OK to put yourself first, yet you have mentioned it at least 4 times and claimed that "quite a few people here are rationalizing that it's cool"

There it is. Post #1.

She doesn't come right out and say it, but you can tell from her wording that, that's what she's thinking and wants. ...an appreciation for her own life that sustains her...

Doesn't Jesus sustain us? Where is Jesus in any of her posts? It's her she's talking about. It's not a big leap to presume what she's really asking, read it.
1 Corinthians 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily..../KJV

Luke 9:23-24
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.../KJV

Romans 8:36
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter..../KJV

Don't get upset at what I say. But if we pick up our cross daily, be prepared to die for the Lord and to ourselves we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter all the day long we are killed. Dead to ourselves. Whatever the Lord has in store for today, I trust Him and will go forward.

(Now the Bold is stuck on?) This is why I said we dont have any more self love. With all that that I posted, when in that day would we have time for ourself?

Does the OP understand that in order to self love in any way, one must turn his or her back to the Lord and walk away from Him.