The church I pastor would use the lot in certain situations to ordain a leader/minister. We would typically take a vote of members when we need to ordain a minister. If there is a clear nominee from these votes that person will be ordained. If there are two or more people with identical or near identical numbers of votes we may use a lot to determine who to ordain. This is done in the context of prayer and fasting to seek God's guidance. Ministers are always chosen from within the current church members. We never "hire" a pastor from outside of the local fellowship.
Question on Casting Lots
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The way I understand it, there is nothing in the verbiage that indicates they voted. They straight up cast lots.
I say that I’m uncomfortable with it because, while I might have questions, I still lean heavily towards the original reasons I posted that we should no longer practice it. If we have the Holy Spirit to lead us then that should be more than enough. But I still have questions. Mainly: If Peter was enough in the Spirit to prophecy in interpret scripture in Acts chapter 1 why’d they feel led to cast lots?
I say that I’m uncomfortable with it because, while I might have questions, I still lean heavily towards the original reasons I posted that we should no longer practice it. If we have the Holy Spirit to lead us then that should be more than enough. But I still have questions. Mainly: If Peter was enough in the Spirit to prophecy in interpret scripture in Acts chapter 1 why’d they feel led to cast lots?
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Speaker of gobbledygook Goober does not believe God's Word.
1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Speaker of gobbledygook Goober does not believe God's Word.
1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Casting lots is a way to be fair without offense to anyone like who is going to do the dishes and the person chosen will not feel offended and not picked on as lesser or not as liked.
If coming from people if both men appeared equal they might do it that way but it might not be the best choice.
But this is coming from God who knows the heart so it would be the best choice.
It seems like casting lots would be a way to prove to everyone who God chose instead of taking Peter's word for it.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Casting lots is a way to be fair without offense to anyone like who is going to do the dishes and the person chosen will not feel offended and not picked on as lesser or not as liked.
If coming from people if both men appeared equal they might do it that way but it might not be the best choice.
But this is coming from God who knows the heart so it would be the best choice.
It seems like casting lots would be a way to prove to everyone who God chose instead of taking Peter's word for it.
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Life itself from first day of anyone's birth is a gamble. Free choices are made, given us each to choose and see. I think they went by trust, Faith in rolling the dice, whether good or bad might not be good or bad, that remains on anyone's choice, Romans 14:21-23. Each gets to make that choice, freely, never forcefully or ever to get manipulated to do anything, and see to not use your freedom over others to make their conscience feel bad either. To me this I see, read all of Romans 14 please
Please see truth, to not purposely ever harm anyone else. That is the Love of God given us all. To have and care and share in compassion, giving everyone the free choice to choose
I see the freedom and in pas, I was a gambler, in casinos, saw it was not good for my soul. and since I saw and heard from God to let go, since it was not good for my soul and in trust I did let go, standing in trust to God, not self or anyone else. Also, I have Been an Alcoholic, yet left me over 40 years ago now. Seeing that was not good for my Soul either, so I saw accepted and left it. Noting this to you, seeing this to not try to get my first born flesh to behave, The Flesh Can't (Romans 8:3) read from verse 1 and the rest of that Chapter please.
God came in Son the Son and God as One, Won for us all on that cross in reconciliation first for us all. 2 Cor 5:17-20, John 1:29, John 19:30, he fulfilled Law and Prophets as said he came here to earth to do first (Matthew 5:17) he did it. Now is risen, as is reported by the Disciples to us all through the Bible, that is in the risen Son, where the new life more abundantly is given to us by God Father of in risen Son. those that believe God in Son as risen and are by Son forgiven to live the new life more abundantly, humbly, no more pride or quilt, those sins of arrogance dead in the death of Son for us all first. So, Ask Daddy, PaPa, Father fro this new life offered in the risen Son and be new, thank you.
Please see truth, to not purposely ever harm anyone else. That is the Love of God given us all. To have and care and share in compassion, giving everyone the free choice to choose
I see the freedom and in pas, I was a gambler, in casinos, saw it was not good for my soul. and since I saw and heard from God to let go, since it was not good for my soul and in trust I did let go, standing in trust to God, not self or anyone else. Also, I have Been an Alcoholic, yet left me over 40 years ago now. Seeing that was not good for my Soul either, so I saw accepted and left it. Noting this to you, seeing this to not try to get my first born flesh to behave, The Flesh Can't (Romans 8:3) read from verse 1 and the rest of that Chapter please.
God came in Son the Son and God as One, Won for us all on that cross in reconciliation first for us all. 2 Cor 5:17-20, John 1:29, John 19:30, he fulfilled Law and Prophets as said he came here to earth to do first (Matthew 5:17) he did it. Now is risen, as is reported by the Disciples to us all through the Bible, that is in the risen Son, where the new life more abundantly is given to us by God Father of in risen Son. those that believe God in Son as risen and are by Son forgiven to live the new life more abundantly, humbly, no more pride or quilt, those sins of arrogance dead in the death of Son for us all first. So, Ask Daddy, PaPa, Father fro this new life offered in the risen Son and be new, thank you.
I have witnessed a church congregation vote in a Pastor and within weeks the church split. I have witnessed God sending a person to a body of Believers looking for a Shepherd and that body is still together this very day and there never was a vote taken. I have witnessed people that should [(not be)] ordained become ordained and people that obviously have the Calling of God to lead never be considered for ordination.
In my own life I have preached in congregations that knew God and are still on fire for God. I have also preached in places that were as absent from God and felt more like a morgue and a chiller ice box keeping a body ready for autopsy.
Some bodies gathered together are definitely going to get a real outcome from God should they go before in reverence looking for leadership and other congregations are going to end up with a sock puppet that wouldn't know God should God come down and present Himself.
The Disciples were on fire for God so God was going to provide them everything they needed including the replacement for Judas. But in my Walk with God I wait for the Doors to open after I go to God to lead me. He has never failed and He never will. Each door that opened was the exact specific place God had willed for my life to fulfill the works God had for me to do. I don't see doing it any other way.
In my own life I have preached in congregations that knew God and are still on fire for God. I have also preached in places that were as absent from God and felt more like a morgue and a chiller ice box keeping a body ready for autopsy.
Some bodies gathered together are definitely going to get a real outcome from God should they go before in reverence looking for leadership and other congregations are going to end up with a sock puppet that wouldn't know God should God come down and present Himself.
The Disciples were on fire for God so God was going to provide them everything they needed including the replacement for Judas. But in my Walk with God I wait for the Doors to open after I go to God to lead me. He has never failed and He never will. Each door that opened was the exact specific place God had willed for my life to fulfill the works God had for me to do. I don't see doing it any other way.