Preparation for the tribulation.

[TheDivineWatermark]

I believe the truth as stated in the Scripture.
You are the one who must spin the Scripture with all your fancy words to fit your belief.

Rev. 20 clearly states that only those in the first resurrection will escape the second death.
If you choose to not belief Scripture, that is between you and God.

--Rev20:5b "THIS is the resurrection the first [adj]" points back to what John had just SEEN ["saw"] in v.4b;
and VERSE 4b speaks ONLY OF the saints who will have been martyred / beheaded IN THE LAST HALF of the Tribulation period (because the refused the mark of the beast);
These 2 verses (v.4b and v.5b) speak ONLY of THOSE PARTICULAR saints (and NO OTHER ones)

...so are you saying that you believe that ONLY the "LAST-HALF-TRIB saints" are who will be "resurrected" (and that these two verses--4b and 5b) are making such a point?







--[next point...] Verse 6 is NOT saying anything about "WHEN" other saints (LIKE the "2W' and LIKE the "OT saints"...) are "resurrected," it only states "BLESSED" are those / the one "HAVING A PART IN the resurrection the first [adj]" (it is NOT saying that John also "SAW" that, at this point);
In fact, the "2W' will have been "resurrected" at the "6th Trumpet / 2nd Woe" time-slot... which is WELL PRIOR TO this Rev19 point in the chronology!

...so can your viewpoint EXPLAIN THIS?
*WHY* are the "2W" shown to be resurrected (which MEANS "to stand again [G386]") WELL PRIOR TO the point in time of this Rev19 (Armageddon) time-slot? I've not seen any explanation regarding this, from your perspective.

 

[Psalm1]

Not all Christians will die in the great tribulation. According to the Lord's will and wisdom, He will keep some alive to the very end:

1 Thessalonians 4:15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

There's no pre-trib rapture though. You WILL go through the great tribulation along with the rest of us and will die when you refuse the mark. Dying is not the worst thing to happen to a Christian though. You get to sit out the rest of the great tribulation (which is suppose to be the worst time in all history anyway) safely in Christ.


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Lol
Both sides believe those verses and incorporate them in their Doctrine.

That is why postribs use only one verse for their Doctrine, and don't realize that one verse is not the rapture, nor can it possibly be the rapture.

But if your doctrine is sound, post a verse pointing to a postrib rapture.
Just one verse.

 

[Psalm1]

The mark of the beast won't even be implemented until the SECOND HALF.

So, while it is true that there will be believers (who'd come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture"--when they are IN the Trib) who will be "martyred" IN THE FIRST HALF (Seal #5), it won't be because of refusing "the mark" that won't even be in existence yet, at that point in the chronology



Jesus' Subject in His Olivet Discourse was NOWHERE speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event;

He [Matt24-25] was covering the Subject of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (FOR the earthly MK age) and the specific, future, LIMITED time-period which will immediately precede and LEAD UP to THAT (i.e. the Trib yrs that LEAD UP TO His "RETURN" to the earth)... EVERYTHING from Matt24:4 thru chpt 25-end, is telling of what FOLLOWS "our Rapture"


["the beginning of birth PANGS" = the "SEALS" at the START of the (7) TRIB yrs]



Ditto what I said above.

[this is NOT "the church"]


The "Partial Rapture Theory" is based on a MISAPPLICATION of a host of passages. It is not biblically accurate.



For the readers, Luke 21:36 is NOT a "rapture" passage/verse.

Lol
Only new believers are martyred in the first half ??????

Show me where the verses pointing to half the church left behind are God's mistake. Post the verses.
Also prove the christians are martyred only in the second half of the trib, or whatever your theory is about the mark can not possibly be enforced until the second half.

 

[Psalm1]

There is no pretribulation rapture and you can't show me in the Bible where it says that. not without doing a hell of a lot of talking.
Show me in the Bible without talking.
and I'll show you in the Bible without talking. that we do go through the Tribulation.

Post a verse pointing to a postrib rapture.
Just one.

 

[Psalm1]

Rev12

You just posted a verse (verses) that say believers overcame the AC by death.
Are you aware you agree that all die without the mark in the trib as you have just indicated????

 

[Psalm1]

Only by putting your own spin on Scripture can you prove a pre-trib rapture.
Rev. 20 speaks of the first resurrection. Only those in the first resurrection escape the second death which is hell.
Those saints who do not take the mark or worship the Beast are included in the first resurrection.
This takes place when Jesus returns, cast the man of sin and the false prophet alive into the pit and chains Satan for a thousand years.
Paul states that this happens at the last trump.
So how are you going to spin this Scripture?

You only believe what you are told.
Rev 14 has 3 gatherings.
None of them are the rapture of 1 thes 4.
Your doctrine has a declaration of "only one coming"
If I show you more than one, your entire deal fails.
It destroys completely your eschatology.
Rev 14 does just that.
Acts 1 does just that
Matthew 24 does just that
Matthew 25 does just that.

Rev 20 has zero resurrection. No resurrection at all in Rev 20.
It is referring BACK TO the first resurrection.
Jesus and the first fruits.
Then main harvest of 1 thes 4.
Jesus and his body are the first resurrection.
No other resurrection until the general resurrection at tge gwtj.

I have never seem a postribber who actually Understood harvest..
All of you skip it.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

ok

I thought this was really interesting! It gives some advise on how to survive the great tribulation! I think he has some great insights. Please watch it and tell me what you think!

How To Survive The Great Tribulation

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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Just found another video about how to survive and live in the wilderness during the great tribulation. I don't know if this is something for me though. I'm too old to be roughing it out in the wild. But this may have some useful tips for the younger folks!

COME OUT OF BABYLON | How to prepare for the abomination of desolation and the wilderness

Please watch this and let me know what y'all think!


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[Psalm1]

I thought this was really interesting! It gives some advise on how to survive the great tribulation! I think he has some great insights. Please watch it and tell me what you think!

How To Survive The Great Tribulation

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The Bible says all take the mark. Every man,woman, and child. All take the mark not written in the book.
No Christians "go through the trib"
Refuse the mark and you are beheaded.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I really like the channel that the previous video comes from! Here's another great video from that channel. This time it's about there being no pre-tribulation rapture with scriptures provided. She explains it so well.

RAPTURE OR TRIBULATION | How to prepare for no rapture but tribulation

She's very encouraging and inspiring and she puts God first in preparing for the great tribulation. Please watch it and let me know how you're preparing as well!


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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Okay, okay, just one more video from the same channel. Please check the channel out as it provides lots of how-to videos about surviving the great tribulation in the wilderness. This last video that I'm posting is specifically about the mark of the beast!

PREPARING FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST | End Times | Survive the apocalypse and the great tribulation

I notice that there are more and more videos about preparing for the great tribulation, much more than there were in previous years. It could be that God is starting to quicken Christians to start preparing for it and teaching us how.

I'm also going to start looking up books and posting any that might help us!


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[DRobinson]

You only believe what you are told.
Rev 14 has 3 gatherings.
None of them are the rapture of 1 thes 4.
Your doctrine has a declaration of "only one coming"
If I show you more than one, your entire deal fails.
It destroys completely your eschatology.
Rev 14 does just that.
Acts 1 does just that
Matthew 24 does just that
Matthew 25 does just that.

Rev 20 has zero resurrection. No resurrection at all in Rev 20.
It is referring BACK TO the first resurrection.
Jesus and the first fruits.
Then main harvest of 1 thes 4.
Jesus and his body are the first resurrection.
No other resurrection until the general resurrection at tge gwtj.

I have never seem a postribber who actually Understood harvest..
All of you skip it.

And you spin Scripture more than most.
Who taught you this nonsense?

 

[BOY]

Just found another video about how to survive and live in the wilderness during the great tribulation. I don't know if this is something for me though. I'm too old to be roughing it out in the wild. But this may have some useful tips for the younger folks!

COME OUT OF BABYLON | How to prepare for the abomination of desolation and the wilderness

Please watch this and let me know what y'all think!


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I think it was excellent. I was a little bit iffy on the temple bit. but I'd like to keep my mind open.
Thank you for sharing

 

[DRobinson]

--Rev20:5b "THIS is the resurrection the first [adj]" points back to what John had just SEEN ["saw"] in v.4b;
and VERSE 4b speaks ONLY OF the saints who will have been martyred / beheaded IN THE LAST HALF of the Tribulation period (because the refused the mark of the beast);
These 2 verses (v.4b and v.5b) speak ONLY of THOSE PARTICULAR saints (and NO OTHER ones)

...so are you saying that you believe that ONLY the "LAST-HALF-TRIB saints" are who will be "resurrected" (and that these two verses--4b and 5b) are making such a point?







--[next point...] Verse 6 is NOT saying anything about "WHEN" other saints (LIKE the "2W' and LIKE the "OT saints"...) are "resurrected," it only states "BLESSED" are those / the one "HAVING A PART IN the resurrection the first [adj]" (it is NOT saying that John also "SAW" that, at this point);
In fact, the "2W' will have been "resurrected" at the "6th Trumpet / 2nd Woe" time-slot... which is WELL PRIOR TO this Rev19 point in the chronology!

...so can your viewpoint EXPLAIN THIS?
*WHY* are the "2W" shown to be resurrected (which MEANS "to stand again [G386]") WELL PRIOR TO the point in time of this Rev19 (Armageddon) time-slot? I've not seen any explanation regarding this, from your perspective.

All whose names are in the book of life, from Adam to the last person saved will be in the first resurrection that takes place when Jesus returns at the seventh (last) trump.
That is what the Scripture says very plainly.

 

[BOY]

You only believe what you are told.
Rev 14 has 3 gatherings.
None of them are the rapture of 1 thes 4.
Your doctrine has a declaration of "only one coming"
If I show you more than one, your entire deal fails.
It destroys completely your eschatology.
Rev 14 does just that.
Acts 1 does just that
Matthew 24 does just that
Matthew 25 does just that.

Rev 20 has zero resurrection. No resurrection at all in Rev 20.
It is referring BACK TO the first resurrection.
Jesus and the first fruits.
Then main harvest of 1 thes 4.
Jesus and his body are the first resurrection.
No other resurrection until the general resurrection at tge gwtj.

I have never seem a postribber who actually Understood harvest..
All of you skip it.

All this talk. . No pre pretribulation story from the Bible
And the only way you can show a pretribulation story is with a lot more talk
Or can you just show it from scripture?

 

[DRobinson]

To BOY, I was pointing out only verses 1 & 2 (I was NOT speaking of ANYTHING BEYOND these TWO verses, which does NOT *include* the second part of your last sentence above ^ the part I underlined--that's NOT in either v.1 or v.2... so it would help to STAY ON POINT).



So let's start by focusing in on the content of verse 1 (for starters), where it says,

"1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

-- do you agree or disagree that the word "COMING" in this verse is the Greek word "PAROUSIA" (which means "presence"), and is speaking of "the coming / presence of our Lord Jesus Christ AND OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" which refers to the time-slot of "OUR RAPTURE [IN THE AIR]" [like 1Th4:17 speaks to]?
If you do NOT agree, then what do you believe VERSE 1 speaks of instead?

The Saints, all whose name is in the book of life, from Adam to the last person saved, will be gathered( meet the Lord n the air) as He returns at the last (seventh) trump.
It is not two events seven years apart as you believe.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

All this talk. . No pre pretribulation story from the Bible
And the only way you can show a pretribulation story is with a lot more talk
Or can you just show it from scripture?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 SAYS IT

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The Saints, all whose name is in the book of life, from Adam to the last person saved, will be gathered( meet the Lord n the air) as He returns at the last (seventh) trump.
It is not two events seven years apart as you believe.

The SECOND HALF of the Trib is this:

--the THREE "WOES" (associated with Trumpets 5, 6, 7); AND

--the "SEVEN VIALS"... the SEVENTH (LAST) of which is the ARMAGEDDON time-slot (Christ's Second Coming TO THE EARTH time-slot);
The 7 Vials... it says of them... "for IN THEM the wrath of God IS COMPLETED [not, is started AND completed]"



... so I DISAGREE that His "RETURN" takes place at the "7th Trumpet / 3rd Woe"... What takes place then is the ANNOUNCEMENT / PRONOUNCEMENT (regarding it), but it still awaits to actually take place AFTER ALL SEVEN VIALS (which themselves take SOME TIME).








[Rev19:19, 21 / 16:14-16 (Christ's SECOND COMING to the earth / Armageddon time-slot) = the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21,22[,23]...]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ And no, @DRobinson , the "2 Witnesses" are saved persons (they will "ascend" up in to Heaven)... but THEY are resurrected (CLEARLY) *BEFORE* the 7th Trumpet!


They ascend up to Heaven and THEN the text states, "the 2nd Woe is past; behold, the 3rd Woe COMETH quickly." [the "3rd Woe" has NOT YET happened at this point!]


[2nd Woe is associated with the 6th Trumpet (events); whereas 3rd Woe is associated with the 7th Trumpet (events)--see Rev8:13 for this info]





What you put in your Post #76 HAS NO EXPLANATION for this fact.


WHY ARE THEY RESURRECTED AT A TIME-SLOT DISTINCT FROM WHEN ALL OTHER SAINTS ARE RESURRECTED?!?

 

[DRobinson]

^ And no, @DRobinson , the "2 Witnesses" are saved person (they will "ascend" up in to Heaven)... but THEY are resurrected (CLEARLY) *BEFORE* the 7th Trumpet!

They ascend up to Heaven and THEN the text states, "the 2nd Woe is past; behold, the 3rd Woe COMETH quickly." [the "3rd Woe" has NOT YET happened at this point!]


[2nd Woe is associated with the 6th Trumpet; whereas 3rd Woe is associated with the 7th Trumpet--see Rev8:13 for this info]





What you put in your Post #76 HAS NO EXPLANATION for this fact.

The Scripture does not identify who the two witnesses are.
It does not say they are two saved men.
They may only appear as men just as the angels that visited Abraham on their way to Sodom.
We only know they are sent by God and are called back into heaven.