Predestination is misunderstood...
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Why must I believe those things. I'm not a Calvinist. I take scriptures in context.
Chapter and verse... and version, please.
Well, I guess the world needs yet another arrogant, self-righteous Christian bent on judging those around him, as here you are. I have just one question for you: Which "fruit" of the Holy Spirit do you manifest when doing all this "correcting" and "instructing"?
I'm still waiting for you to select one proof-text from your posted menu to discuss taking into account its context. Have you selected one yet?
I'm more than happy to teach anyone who asks, but I am surprised you haven't been taught what Titus 1:9 says about the matter. I can cite many more if you need mor help, but see how you go with this.
Titus 1:9
Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.
As an Elect Saint of God, I have been given authority to exhort and convict those who contradict the Word of God. I do this to honor Him, I won't tolerate anything that dishonors my Lord.
The fruit I manifest is by correcting those who are deceived, is mercy and love. Think of it as if I'm your Doctor, and you come to me and I diagnose you with cancer.
I lovingly inform you that you must begin Chemotherapy immediately to save your life, and you get angry with me for giving you bad news. Can you see how silly the deceived are, they hate someone who is trying to help them.
This is contrary to what God said, you must stop adding your corrupt word to Gods Word.
Let me see how you contradict this verse, I know you will because you just can't simply accept what God has said. You have the urge to superimpose your word over God Word.
Show me where the promise is for all and everyone, I've never heard of such a contradiction.
John 17:9
“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
Context. The passage is about bishops (elders), not regular "saints".
I straightforwardly inform you that you have taken the words out of context and taken to yourself a responsibility that is not given to you by God. You aren't an elder on this site, and you have neither authority nor responsibility to "correct" anyone. You're just one of the congregation here.
You do not need the doctrine of predestination to be secure in your salvation...
All those the Father draws to completion He then gives to the Son....
And, its the Fathers will that none he gives will become lost!
John 6:37-39
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And
this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise
them up at the last day.
He will lose none that come to Him!
Why won't you just say what it means = "everlasting life."
So everyone can understand what you were saying, and maybe be edified?
But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others
than ten thousand words in a tongue. ( foreign language) 1 Corinthians 14:19
aeonous life?
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I'm not an ordained Bishop or Church Elder, but as an Elect Saint I can still proclaim Gods Word and call out those who preach a false gospel. I don't have the authority to excommunicate anyone from the Church but I can point out their errors and use scripture to back me.
I can also report false teachers to my Elder and He can, charge them and correct them if necessary.
that verse des not negate the fact that God chose His elect before He created the world. See, you simply can't duck and weave your way around the doctrine of election and predestination.
You don't have the authority to cherry pick the bible to assemble a bunch of verses to create a doctrine which is contrary to what God plainly said. you must embrace the whole counsel of God and deal with it.
Plucking verses out of their intended context and misapplying them, amounts to creating false views.
It's in the Bible and my Elder did preach a sermon on the topic. So I can report anyone who preaches a false gospel, and my Elder will contact the person and charge them with the offense.
If that person confesses their error and accepts correction, then that's the end of the mater, but if they don't he will approach his Church counsel and notify them. Then they will have to correct him or excommunicate him
And your inability to hear with understanding prevents you from comprehending that man's volition does not save him. God's determination to save believers is what saves men.
Have a nice day.
The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
David understood being made into the image and likeness of Christ as Per Rom 8:29That does not mean awake, being of the same thing.
Adam was created in God's likeness....
Even so, Adam did not have a body like the Lord's glorious body.
Eve was bone of Adam's bones, and flesh of his flesh.
She was being the 'same thing.' Not simply a likeness.
Angels when materialized are in the likeness of men. (Genesis 18)
But they do not have the same body essence as man.
But when we are resurrected? We will have the same body essence as the glorious body of the Lord.
When he is resurrected Moses body will not have of the same body essence as ours.
For, our Home is heaven.
Moses eternal home is to be found on the New Earth.
Moses' body will consist of the elements of the New Earth.
Just like Adam's body consisted of the elements of this earth.
These truths need to be understood.....
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ps 17 15
As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
The word image in Rom 8:29 is the greek word eikōn :
an image, figure, likeness
Christ is the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
So you are wrong !
Exactly. The only sin that condemns is not believing Jesus Christ. One can sin any other sin and it has already been paid for, but distrusting God and Jesus, drawing back from Him, is to deny Saviour as Saviour and Lord, and while in that state, one cannot be living in fellowship with God and Jesus, which is what having aeonous life is. John 17:3
Murdering someone requires a Christian to withdraw from fellowship with and a foregoing present trust in Him at the time of sinning. The breaking of fellowship is not caused by the murder, but by the act of rejecting fellowship with God in order to plan and execute the sin.