Predestination is misunderstood...

[Cameron143]

Then what is the purpose of inspiration of Scripture if God has to intervene to help us to understand the Gospel?

Inspiration has to do with those writing scripture to ensure that what is written is the very words of God.
As far as intervention, God tells us that this is His practice in salvation. He sends preachers...Romans 10:14-15. He sends His Spirit...John 3:5,8.

 

[Off123123123]

It's funny seeing the Reformed use AW Pink as a poster board for their doctrine when we have written and audio of him basically destroying the Gospel of Grace with his...

message.

What I don’t get is if Reformed people believe God designed some for the exact purpose of destruction in hell for eternity, then why do they call such people to repent of their sin? It’s as if they’re calling on them to defy the very purpose God created them.

Hey you! Yeah you, who God purposed for destruction. REPENT. And if you don’t it’s all your fault, even though God designed you for that very purpose. It’s a quite weird view of God.

 

[Off123123123]

Also, if God decreed EVERYTHING in eternity past, like many Calvinists/Reformed claim, how can we speak against evils like abortion, transgenderism, slavery? I mean decreeing everything means decreeing everything. Which means, if you oppose these things, then you’re opposing God himself.

Certainly a weird view of God.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Also, if God decreed EVERYTHING in eternity past, like many Calvinists/Reformed claim, how can we speak against evils like abortion, transgenderism, slavery? I mean decreeing everything means decreeing everything. Which means, if you oppose these things, then you’re opposing God himself.

Certainly a weird view of God.

just one of many weird views of many floating around here.

 

[Off123123123]

just one of many weird views of many floating around here.

Lol well I ain’t gonna act like I don’t live in a glass house on that one.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I wasn't saying it so not sure why you are but ....

1Tim.2:1-4
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Hard to see how it is unbiblical to say God wants all men to be saved when the scripture says that very thing.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that those who are not saved have never been given the opportunity to respond to God.

Paul left Timothy with the church at Ephesus to charge some in the church that they teach no other doctrine (1 Tim 1:3).

Paul further states that they should pray for those that have authority over the city of Ephesus that the church may lead a good and peaceable life in all goodness and honesty (1 Tim 2:1-2).

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men, who are teaching another doctrine, to be saved=delivered, and to come unto a knowledge of the truth.

This scripture also harmonizes with Rom 10:1-3.

 

[Off123123123]

There are droves of bad theology from the Calvinist/Reformed camp and I’m shocked they can’t see through it. And I do think that anyone who has a dog in this fight should speak up, even if it sounds like you’re copycatting someone’s ideas. I can’t help myself, I have to post on this topic, and I hope you can’t help yourselves either. In a way we need to be like a collective, the more minds on deck, the better. If we keep up, we may never again have to wonder how it’s conceivably possible that people can’t see this nonsense.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I agree, It is pretty amazing people do not understand.

The bible says we are dead. Yet here we are living and breathing.

So what Death is the bible talking about? If it is not physical death, What is it? Spiritual?

Good guess. The natural man is spiritually dead (1 Cor 2:14) We are all born into this world as spiritual dead because of Adam's sin, but thanks be to God's sovereign grace, he gives some a new spiritual life while they were yet spiritually dead ( Eph 2:1-5) ( Ezk 11:19 )

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Lol well I ain’t gonna act like I don’t live in a glass house on that one.

well that's great, because I ain't going to walk around on egg shells neither. Maybe if ye turn out to be s baby i may nurture you for a while, but then after that, it's time to get the shovel out

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Good guess. The natural man is spiritually dead (1 Cor 2:14) We are all born into this world as spiritual dead because of Adam's sin, but thanks be to God's sovereign grace, he gives some a new spiritual life while they were yet spiritually dead ( Eph 2:1-5) ( Ezk 11:19 )

nope Jesus said where there is a natural body there is also a spiritual body.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

What I don’t get is if Reformed people believe God designed some for the exact purpose of destruction in hell for eternity, then why do they call such people to repent of their sin? It’s as if they’re calling on them to defy the very purpose God created them.

Hey you! Yeah you, who God purposed for destruction. REPENT. And if you don’t it’s all your fault, even though God designed you for that very purpose. It’s a quite weird view of God.

That is the billion dollar question now, isn't it?

But if you research this AW Pink you will discover he was hardcore Calvinism from the word go of his ministry. He just waved the Calvin Banner like same sex do with a Pride Flag. But what shocked me during my research. Was he went from this machine gun Calvin doctrine to near the END of his ministry he "changed." His final messages were about Repentance and let's get the Gospel out to anyone with ears.

So in the END, he left his Calvin roots and began walking in the opposite Theology.

All I can say to that is "Praise God!"

 

[John146]

God's sovereign grace

Bible verse please...

 

[PennEd]

Yet, Paul spoke of a war within ourselves.

So I brought up your interpretation that Adam was basically satan, and that satan didn't/doesn't exist as a being, but rather as something Adam and all of us struggle with internally last night.

One of the learned participants had heard of a similar doctrine from a group called "Christadelphians".

Do you consider yourself a Christadelphian?

 

[Mem]

So I brought up your interpretation that Adam was basically satan, and that satan didn't/doesn't exist as a being, but rather as something Adam and all of us struggle with internally last night.

One of the learned participants had heard of a similar doctrine from a group called "Christadelphians".

Do you consider yourself a Christadelphian?

I might've only heard of these before in passing but have no idea concerning their doctrine nor am I of any affiliation.

 

[Mem]

^I'll research a bit into it and see if I line up with them anywhere else.

There is a Christian philosopher often quoted by a teacher (with a philosophical background) whose thoughts I often check in on at times that I find myself in want of encouragement. I think it might've been Kirkegaard, though that is not the only philosopher that he often quotes, maybe it was CS Lewis... anyway, it was something about the human's inate potential to be either a (paraphrasing) something (antithetical to glorious) horror or a beautiful something something better. I wish my retention of exact wording were so much more adequate, but I tend to think in abstracts. At any rate, I do believe this to of a truth.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

nope Jesus said where there is a natural body there is also a spiritual body.

What scripture taught you that assumed fact?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Bible verse please...

I have already supplied that for you (Eph 2:5)

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

What scripture taught you that assumed fact?

hmmm have a Guess that's what normally happens in Calvinism

 

[Genez]

it wasn't just what he said about the wages. it was many other things.

Anyone with half a brain can work out Adam did not sin in arrogance.

Not only that he started his sermon with the intimidating hell speech towards people who haven't even started to believe in Christ yet.

Then his intimidating remarks of human emotions also got intimidating.

Then he went on as if he knew it all.

There was plenty other remarks he said which was questionable.

If.you can't see an ignorant person when you see one God help you.

Peek a boo... I see you!


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[Chaps]

Inspiration has to do with those writing scripture to ensure that what is written is the very words of God.
As far as intervention, God tells us that this is His practice in salvation. He sends preachers...Romans 10:14-15. He sends His Spirit...John 3:5,8.

I don’t think you are understanding my point. Why would God bother with inspiring Scripture to ensure it was entirely accurate if it humanity was blind to it and they had to be enlightened to understand it in the first place? It would seem to me that the very purpose of inspiration and ensuring the accuracy of God’s Word is because it is understandable to everyone who reads or hears it.

Put another way: If it has to be decoded by the Spirit for people to understand it, then why would the Spirit bother with inspiration of the original authors in its transmission?