Predestination is misunderstood...
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Adam's disobedience.
Read Romans 5.
All died IN Adam.
All those IN Christ are saved.
Both were in covenant with God on behalf of the human race. They both represented mankind. Unsaved people remain in Adam. Saved people are in Christ.
I'm obviously just wasting my time, you keep implying that scripture about the law is not relevant because it was not given as part of the covenant God made with Adam before the fall.
But here you are saying the sin of disobedience is relevant to you, and the covenant given to Adam before the fall.
If your saying the law is relevant which it was, which you first implied there was once a time when there was no law, now your saying other wise,.then why are you not addressing this law
No more shall the son bare the sin of the father
So what killed you Cameron.
The Discussions is based on everyone needing a saviour and everyone being chosen to need a saviour.
On the account of everyone being born with a blood that needs atoning.
It's just a shame the doctrine of calvinism won't allow you to admit your errors.
I would like to say it's been nice to talking to you.
But I think you must be on a high dose of meds the way your acting.
Not all laws mentioned in the Bible are "the Law" that causes us death.
You still need to learn to differentiate between what are "laws," and what constitutes "the Law."
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17
Any of those local 'laws' you cited, that were not found for Israel, does not constitute what is called "the Law"
grace and peace ................
Listen you head wrecking person, the law does not cause death.
Going around the world and not tackling what happened before the fall is the problem here.
The law was given to save Adams life.
What happen was Adam ate evil. He digested all knowledge of evil which caused death, it poisoned his blood. He only died after he ate from the tree.
Do you understand this.
The bible clearly states that the son does not inherit the sin of the father.
But yet the bible clearly illustrates you are still born in a fallen state.
Which means the sin of disobedience of adam did not make you born in a fallen state.
No blood which is poisoned by the knowledge of all evil does.
It is not my rationalisation why babies die. They are sometimes born with physical abnormalities. Satan can do nothing without the Lord's permission so the idea that he's going round destroying willy nilly is false. He needed permission to attack Job, the demons needed permission to go into swine.
I never said Adam's sin and guilt was passed down. I said the consequences of his sin was passed down. When he sinned, he died spiritually and that caused a genetic mutation. Another law (as per Rom.7) entered his flesh and as flesh begets flesh (Jn.3:6) we inherited that law. It is this genetic fault that acts much like the serpent in the garden did by tempting us to sin and because we are spiritually dead and without the knowledge of God we answer the temptation as best we know how which is based on our own understanding ergo, we sin.
I have to be honest, it never fails to amaze me how anyone can face the Lord Jesus Christ and not be aware of the inherent fault that we possess. Romans 7 makes it abundantly clear we have another/different law at work in our flesh that wages war against our soul (mind).
You say mortality was decreed upon all men yet give me no explanation for death except "the devil did it". You would have no natural death but make every death supernatural. Go take a lesson in biology. Are you even aware there are creatures that don't die?
...Here's your homework assignment....I think with your mind you would find it stimulating and very helpful.
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grace and peace ...............
You are very confused because you have taken various undefined categories all squished into one heap.
If you attempt to live by the Law?
It kills the spiritual walk.
You can't do both.
We can learn from the Law, but not live by the Law.
We are now to live in the dispensation of grace and truth, not Law.
"For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."
John 1:17
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."
John 1:17
grace and peace .....................
nope your what you call a stubborn argumentive person who disagrees with clear basic teaching.
Everyone here is getting a lesson on what the psychological term "projection" means by your example.
oh well believing that you speak for everyone is totally projecting,. You may as well believe everyone thinks likes you do.
I've got got news for you, you ain't everyone.
Anyway back to ignore to go. I was stupid to enough to respond back to you.
One rule was given to keep Adam's life intact.
That rule would not apply to anyone but Adam and the woman, not us.
The Law was given to all Israel by Moses. Adam did not have that Law.
Adam was not created fallen.
He had no need to become saved until after he broke that one rule.
Therefore, that one rule could not save him, but rather, to keep him from becoming what would need to be saved.
You need to repent and lay off communing with those spirits.
They will effect your ability to concentrate.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Hebrews 2:15 (noting the palindrome hmm
)
Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
Even if we can say that not everyone has necessarily sinned at any given point, I think that it is accurate to say that everyone has feared.
Wasn't a sort of fear basically the 'trojan horse' that the serpent employed to introduce sin into the garden?
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Hebrews 2:15 (noting the palindrome hmm
)Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
Even if we can say that not everyone has necessarily sinned at any given point, I think that it is accurate to say that everyone has feared.
Wasn't a sort of fear basically the 'trojan horse' that the serpent employed to introduce sin into the garden?
Fear wasn't an emotion experienced until after sin...we hid because we were afraid. Shame as well. Later with Cain, anger and depression were introduced.Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Hebrews 2:15 (noting the palindrome hmm
Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
Even if we can say that not everyone has necessarily sinned at any given point, I think that it is accurate to say that everyone has feared.
Wasn't a sort of fear basically the 'trojan horse' that the serpent employed to introduce sin into the garden?
Before sin there is no record of any of them.
Thunder Blunderer...
You should write a booklet.
"The Art of Missing the Point."
Also know as....Getting the Traffic Cop so Confused , he ends up writing himself a ticket after stopping you.
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