Predestination is misunderstood...
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Even the demons cast out of Legion had to first get permission to enter the swine...
As a result? The swine all committed suicide by jumping off a cliff into the water..
Likewise....
Satan was judged by proxy, via the outcome of the serpent Satan had used.
Like the swine committing suicide to reveal what the demons were like...
What happened to the serpent in judgment was to show before all the angels what a loser
Satan was making him own self to be....
As a result? The swine all committed suicide by jumping off a cliff into the water..
Likewise....
Satan was judged by proxy, via the outcome of the serpent Satan had used.
Like the swine committing suicide to reveal what the demons were like...
What happened to the serpent in judgment was to show before all the angels what a loser
Satan was making him own self to be....
Your cheap remarks are not warranted.
I asked politely would you like me show you where's Gods will is imprisoned in all mankind in both a state of life and a state of death.
Now if you went to God and said show me your cods wallop would he show you.
And siding with people who show disrespectful remarks because your in disagreement with me and his word, just shows you have issues.
I asked politely would you like me show you where's Gods will is imprisoned in all mankind in both a state of life and a state of death.
Now if you went to God and said show me your cods wallop would he show you.
And siding with people who show disrespectful remarks because your in disagreement with me and his word, just shows you have issues.
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Why are you living in the past?
That was dealt with 2000 years ago.
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That was dealt with 2000 years ago.
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture
might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there;
and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His
head, He gave up His spirit." John 19:28-30
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This is not a question this is a request at this stage.
The request is would you like me to show you where Gods will has been imprisoned in all mankind in both a state of death and a state of life.
Well would you yes or no.
The question I asked you was, would you ask God to show you his cods wallop, and expect him to show you the truth..
Well would you, yes or no. Because that is what you have just supported.
So would you yes or no.
The request is would you like me to show you where Gods will has been imprisoned in all mankind in both a state of death and a state of life.
Well would you yes or no.
The question I asked you was, would you ask God to show you his cods wallop, and expect him to show you the truth..
Well would you, yes or no. Because that is what you have just supported.
So would you yes or no.
But no-one ever said it wasn't God who made the difference and it was made quite clear the worthiness comes about in us because of Christ so why you had to disagree with something that was never spoken or implied makes me wonder why you even bothered saying anything in the first place?
What God has made clean, do not call unclean. That people want to highlight their supposed "unworthiness" detracts from Christ and insults the Fathers work.
What God has made clean, do not call unclean. That people want to highlight their supposed "unworthiness" detracts from Christ and insults the Fathers work.
You should go back and reread the post I responded to. And read the subsequent posts. The poster doesn't object to the way I have characterized his post. If you read through some of his responses to others, you will find the same thing.
I get that you disagree with my understanding of scripture. You're not alone. But this is becoming a habit of yours of challenging my comments to other posters who themselves haven't challenged my characterization of their meaning. Your free to continue to do so, but I won't take part in your dissension.
As a supervisor in a company, I dealt largely with middle management. One particular manager was long time employee who regularly filled my ear with complaints of any manager trainee who was working directly under him at the time. So before I would listen to any complaint he brought to me, I would have him tell me 2 things that were positive concerning the trainee. Soon, he stopped complaining and worked through differences himself.
Grace and peace.
I get that you disagree with my understanding of scripture. You're not alone. But this is becoming a habit of yours of challenging my comments to other posters who themselves haven't challenged my characterization of their meaning. Your free to continue to do so, but I won't take part in your dissension.
As a supervisor in a company, I dealt largely with middle management. One particular manager was long time employee who regularly filled my ear with complaints of any manager trainee who was working directly under him at the time. So before I would listen to any complaint he brought to me, I would have him tell me 2 things that were positive concerning the trainee. Soon, he stopped complaining and worked through differences himself.
Grace and peace.
Apparently, it appears that some people have been brainwashed by an unbalanced doctrinal thinking of Calvinism...
Total depravity... It it were an accurate term? Would leave God with nothing to save.
No boasting of self...
When doing something well? We should not boast afterwards that we did something well.
But we can boast that God enabled us by grace and used us to do something well...
Now.. For God to use you? Required the believer knowing sufficient sound doctrine.
God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord." Isaiah 55:8
Meaning? ......
If we failed to gain sound doctrinal sufficiency for doing God's will?
Having only our own thoughts, we would have resisted doing something God's way which would have seemed contrary.
By acknowledging that we are naturally, innately unworthy.... allows God to take over with good teaching and have His thoughts become our thoughts. Then?
When God sees His thoughts in a believer being made alive to that believer's soul?
Then, that is when a believer is worthy of God to use for His purpose in His plan.
Take away God's grace?
We are left with innate unworthiness in all we do.
That I believe is what was not being understood...
grace and peace ...............
Total depravity... It it were an accurate term? Would leave God with nothing to save.
No boasting of self...
When doing something well? We should not boast afterwards that we did something well.
But we can boast that God enabled us by grace and used us to do something well...
Now.. For God to use you? Required the believer knowing sufficient sound doctrine.
God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord." Isaiah 55:8
Meaning? ......
If we failed to gain sound doctrinal sufficiency for doing God's will?
Having only our own thoughts, we would have resisted doing something God's way which would have seemed contrary.
By acknowledging that we are naturally, innately unworthy.... allows God to take over with good teaching and have His thoughts become our thoughts. Then?
When God sees His thoughts in a believer being made alive to that believer's soul?
Then, that is when a believer is worthy of God to use for His purpose in His plan.
Take away God's grace?
We are left with innate unworthiness in all we do.
That I believe is what was not being understood...
grace and peace ...............
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