I agree, It is pretty amazing people do not understand.
The bible says we are dead. Yet here we are living and breathing.
So what Death is the bible talking about? If it is not physical death, What is it? Spiritual?
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The bible says we are dead. Yet here we are living and breathing.
So what Death is the bible talking about? If it is not physical death, What is it? Spiritual?
The whole Gospel is about being made spiritualy alive,
It's clearly obvious Adam died a spiritual death, and man being needed to made spiritual alive is linked to Adam.
The natural body never changes God says this.
I can show you the verse which point blank says the natural body is sown perishable and raised a spiritual body.
The same verse also says where there is a natural body there is also a spiritual body.
This means that when the natural body died of Adam, his natural body was no longer spiritual.
it may look like blame shifting but it's not.
Because when Adam told God the truth he was already in fallen state, at this stage and he had already died.
Eve had been taken from Adams rib, Adam was responsible for eve.
Scripture indicates that Adam was there with eve, as she was being tempted, so they where both tempted together, they both got sucked in by the serpent, who had probably also ate of the tree.
As they both got sucked in they both believed the serpent, and both became bewildered no doubt.
They both became believing of the serpent,
Eve ate first then Passed some to Adam.
They both ate the fruit in innocence.
Because they had corrected the serpent at first, and said no we can't as God said we can't eat it.
So when they where told, that was not true, they never ate it out of disobedience, they ate it out of innocence, believing it was good to eat and that it would make them live not die.
The evil that serpent had already ate now wanted more life dead, by telling Adam and eve, life can live in death and tricked them.
God would have been able to tell there intension of there sin, whether they ate in disobedience and denial or innocence.
They ate in innocence, as the snake was punished first.
Because they ate in on innocence, also makes all mankind worthy of saving.
When God asked Adam what he had done the first thing he remembered was was eve passing him some fruit.
Because God asked them have you ate from the tree first.
Adam never said to God I ate from the tree before he was asked.
God only knew they had ate from the tree because they where ashamed of there nakedness.
It wasn't until God asked them if they had ate from the tree that they told them.
At this stage the pair of them had died and neither one of them knew what was going on.
The other thing @Everlasting-Grace is God asked Adam if he had ate from the tree.
So Adam looked back and remembered eve passing him it.
So he never physically went up to the tree and plucked it.
In Adams fallen state he never knew he had done wrong when first asked.
So Adam looked back and remembered eve passing him it.
So he never physically went up to the tree and plucked it.
In Adams fallen state he never knew he had done wrong when first asked.
1Tim. 2-
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
What does this mean.
Adam was not deceived.
Adam clearly was deceived in the garden.
Deceived when. At what point was he not deceived.
He was still deceived, but not in full was he deceived.
God turned to the serpent and said because you have done this.
They where not deceived because they still believed God.
But they ate in innocence
I believe, after much study, that this verse means exactly what it says. During the time of temptation, Eve fell for the servants lie hook, line, and sinker. Adam knew better, (not deceived) but he willing ate, and suffered the same fate. It shows clearly that one can sin through temptation, or willingly.
Adam and eve where children.
So you tell your child, no your not superman and you can't fly and you can't jump of a building and expect to fly because you will die.
Your child says what is die.
You say you will not be here anymore
Your child says why.
You say because you will stop breathing and you will stop being alive.
Your child says well how come superman can keep living.
Well you say because hes not a real superman, there just making him look like he can fly.
On and on it goes. But the child is now not deceived
Then the next day you say to child go on see if you can jump of that building.
Your child says no I'm not superman and superman is not real.
You say well what I told you, was because you where not ready to fly.
But now I know you are ready and you will live.
So your child goes oh oh ok then
I have you a good answer.
They were not deceived because they knew God had told them not to eat from the tree that's why they were not deceived.
But and it is a big massive but, they ate in innocence
where there is a natural body there is a spiritual body.
The natural body doesn't change
The spiritual body of man died in the garden, because it ate evil knowledge, in innocence.
Which means your born in a state of death