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Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?
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- Revelation 14:9-10: Those who worship the beast (Antichrist) are warned they will drink the wine of God's fury/wrath, which is poured out during the latter part of the tribulation.
- Daniel 9:27 & 12:11: These passages establish the final 3½ years (1,260 days/time, times, and half a time) as the period where the abomination of desolation occurs, leading directly into the final pouring out of wrath.
- Matthew 24:21-29: Jesus describes the "Great Tribulation" in the second half, which is immediately followed by the cosmic signs (sixth seal) signaling the coming day of wrath.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:9: States believers are not appointed to wrath, which is often interpreted to mean the church is removed before the final, severe wrath of the bowl judgments.
Learn from the martyrs who came before us! These Christians didn't deny their faith in Jesus.. The widow interviewed is especially encouraging!
Widow's Joy: He Didn't Deny Christ When Beheaded
Didn't you read about the Hebtews being protected by God during the plagues He inflicted in Egypt? Where is your faith?
Exodus 8:22 – "But on that day I will deal differently with the land of Goshen, where my people live; no swarms of flies will be there, so that you will know that I, the Lord, am in this land."
Exodus 9:4 – "But the Lord will make a distinction between the livestock of Israel and the livestock of Egypt, so that nothing will die of all that belongs to the sons of Israel."
Exodus 9:26 – "Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, was there no hail."
God's wrath is not indiscriminate. It picks out and destroys only the ungodly. This is common knowledge. Why would you pretemd to not know this?
What lolol you just proved what I'm saying. Please don't ASSUME I'm 'pretending' anything, when you truly don't know me. Again, everyone's entitled to their pov and I'm not angry w/anyone hereDidn't you read about the Hebtews being protected by God during the plagues He inflicted in Egypt? Where is your faith?
Exodus 8:22 – "But on that day I will deal differently with the land of Goshen, where my people live; no swarms of flies will be there, so that you will know that I, the Lord, am in this land."
Exodus 9:4 – "But the Lord will make a distinction between the livestock of Israel and the livestock of Egypt, so that nothing will die of all that belongs to the sons of Israel."
Exodus 9:26 – "Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, was there no hail."
God's wrath is not indiscriminate. It picks out and destroys only the ungodly. This is common knowledge. Why would you pretemd to not know this?
That has nothing to do with the Great Trib(God's Wrath upon the earth) and Him letting His children experiencing HIS Wrath during that appointed time. It's ok you stick w/your interpretation and I w/mine. I'm not angry at anyone
Oh I shoild have been more clear. I wasn't talking to you in that post, I was actually posting that to people who are preparing for the great tribulation and the possibilty of being beheaded. The video is actually very encouraging to build up faith to endure so that those who pre poo are won't fall away.
What lolol you just proved what I'm saying. Please don't ASSUME I'm 'pretending' anything, when you truly don't know me. Again, everyone's entitled to their pov and I'm not angry w/anyone here
You keep saying the great tribulation is God's wrath. Okay, if it is, then we wouldn't have to worry about His punishments. I'm using the example of God’s plagues on Egypt not touching the Hebrews,
So if the great tribulation is God's wrath, they're not going to hurt Christians. Using your logic, there would be no need for a pre-trib rapture.
You also heep sayimg you're not angry... but no one is asking.
Ok it looks like then some believers think His faithful obedient children will be present during the last half the trib, when God's wrath falls down and some don't know why God would keep His faithful children here during His wrath, protected or not. Would they be in hiding for 3-1/2 yrs, and where would that be? Taken up is what makes sense through my studies of this.You keep saying the great tribulation is God's wrath. Okay, if it is, then we wouldn't have to worry about His punishments. I'm using the example of God’s plagues on Egypt not touching the Hebrews,
So if the great tribulation is God's wrath, they're not going to hurt Christians. Using your logic, there would be no need for a pre-trib rapture.
You also heep sayimg you're not angry... but no one is asking.
Believers who are converted after the 'catching up' will be here and as it says, some will still be standing through it all.
I only mentioned not being angry bc if I have a diff pov from anyone, I'm not going to be at odds w/them over this or any other discussion in the future.
Hoping this helps
Talk to God about what He wants from you and then do exactly what He tells you. He might tell you that you're going to come home to Him, or He might tell you you'll see Him return for you. Or He might not tell you either way to deepen your trust in Him. This is why everyone must build their faith to endure in Christ, so you'll be calm enough to hear from Him and not misunderstand Him or take natters into your own hands and be out of His will. Also remember that the Holy Spirit is with you, and He will take care of you and help you to carry out His instructions. You will never be alone.
I'm going to talk about another way God helped people survive the holocaust.
Some Jews and other targetted groups survived by becoming servants who worked for their bosses for free, but received food and boarding (if they lost their homes). From what I've read, bosses are a mixed bag. Some bosses were good, but some bosses weren't. Some should have been in prison for the terrible things they did to their servants.
A good movie to watch is Schindler's List that contrasted between two bosses.
Pray that if you're to survive this way that you end up with a good boss that treats you well. If the boss is generous, then please share the food and other essentials you receive to others who aren't so lucky
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You mentioned if I was sure that we are in the end-times. Yes, but not in the great tribulation yet. The great falling away is already underway. We should watch for the revealing of the antchridt after the EU elections in 2029.
But before that, there will be some sort of agreement among many which is suppse to look last for 7 years (that the antivhrist will break in the middle of that 7 years) and the Jews will be allowed to have their temple built and begin their daily sacrifices.
So the next thing to watch for is that treaty with many. It will have to do with Israel. The October 7 War made it official that the whole world turns against Israel by voting to acknowledge Palestine and to divide the land (a big no-no in God's book) which sets everything up for that treaty. Not sure if Pres. Trump's plan will be adopted for that, but may be the prototype for it.
More to come.....
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Well, it looks like a conflict in Iran is brewing, and if the U.S. strikes hard, it's definitely possible that Iran shoots at Israel. I'm keeping up as much as possible. Why are you so dead set on the EU elections in 2029? Which EU elections? Not sure I follow your line of reasoning, but year I think 2029/2030 will get interesting. As far as what exactly, heck if I know. lol
Learn from the martyrs who came before us! These Christians didn't deny their faith in Jesus.. The widow interviewed is especially encouraging!
Widow's Joy: He Didn't Deny Christ When Beheaded
I like that idea of wearing orange in memory of Christian martyrs. That is a movement I can get behind. Orange is not really my color, but I'm gonna have to start like wearing orange.
That widow and that other guy have amazing faith, no hate, just forgiveness. I'm not sure, if I could mimic that behaviors to be honest. I could try...but eventually be mad... That is what you call radical Christianity! Awesome!
Ok it looks like then some believers think His faithful obedient children will be present during the last half the trib, when God's wrath falls down and some don't know why God would keep His faithful children here during His wrath, protected or not. Would they be in hiding for 3-1/2 yrs, and where would that be? Taken up is what makes sense through my studies of this.
Believers who are converted after the 'catching up' will be here and as it says, some will still be standing through it all.
I only mentioned not being angry bc if I have a diff pov from anyone, I'm not going to be at odds w/them over this or any other discussion in the future.
Hoping this helps
Did you really study this?
Because God’s wrath, the 7 bowl judgments, actually occur AFTER the seventh trumpet is blown. The seventh trumpet sounds AFTER the great tribulation ends. That's why there wouldn't be any need for a pre-trib rapture. God’s wrath occurs AFTER the great tribulation.
So we'll be here for the great tribulation. God will protect us from falling away from Him if you let Him because that is the most important thing to Him. He doesn't care if you lose property, posessions or even your own life because He can compensate all those things back to you when He returns. But He can't give those things back to you if you fall away.
So be prepared to stay faithful because God is not going to take you out of the great tribulation. For example: God didn't take Noah out of the flood, but took him THROUGH it. God didn't take Lot out of the region of destruction, but let Lot and his daughters flee to a small town within the area and protected them from His wrath. God promised the church at Philadelphia that He would keep them and did just thar when the persecurtion came by keeping their faith intact intead of rapturing them out. Eleven were known to be martyred but none of them fell away.
If you don't build up your faith to endure in Christ you won't be able to withstand what will happen to Christians at that time. Please prepare for it. This isn't the silly game you think it is.
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You lost me at 'This isn't the silly game you think it is'. Idk what prompts you to suggest such things...it's anything but a silly game. Also, don't tell me what God is or isn't going to do to me re the Great Trib/Wrath of God, when you're just guessing. Thanks for everyone's thoughts, I've got a roof that needs to pass inspection, lol, and I think I've covered everything I wanted to on this Thread.Did you really study this?
Because God’s wrath, the 7 bowl judgments, actually occur AFTER the seventh trumpet is blown. The seventh trumpet sounds AFTER the great tribulation ends. That's why there wouldn't be any need for a pre-trib rapture. God’s wrath occurs AFTER the great tribulation.
So we'll be here for the great tribulation. God will protect us from falling away from Him if you let Him because that is the most important thing to Him. He doesn't care if you lose property, posessions or even your own life because He can compensate all those things back to you when He returns. But He can't give those things back to you if you fall away.
So be prepared to stay faithful because God is not going to take you out of the great tribulation. For example: God didn't take Noah out of the flood, but took him THROUGH it. God didn't take Lot out of the region of destruction, but let Lot and his daughters flee to a small town within the area and protected them from His wrath. God promised the church at Philadelphia that He would keep them and did just thar when the persecurtion came by keeping their faith intact intead of rapturing them out. Eleven were known to be martyred but none of them fell away.
If you don't build up your faith to endure in Christ you won't be able to withstand what will happen to Christians at that time. Please prepare for it. This isn't the silly game you think it is.
Oh sorry about not fully explaining EU elections! Each member nation elects MPs, members of parliament, for the EU parliament. They are voted in by the citizens of said nations.
Then it gets kind of convoluted. Another vote occurs among MPs that citixens have no involvement or power to participate in. This smaller group of EU officials get to set policies and Lord knows what else. I've always viewed the EU as the 10 horned beast. It has many nations as members now, but if the EU's powers expand, the globalists (mostly all of them) want to divide the world into 10 regions for control. 10 regions = 10 horns each governed by someone in the one world government that emerges.that even the citixrns might not know about. Among these leaders arises the antichrist. I'm not sure how all this will come about so that's why I'm watching it
I agree with you about keepimg track of any conflicts in the Middle East. I'm actually kind of holding my breath for Iran's future. It would be nice if it got a government that took better care of it's people. But you know how it is....
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I didn't guess about the order of the 7 trumpets and 7 bowls and what they represent. That all actually came from the Bible. The wrath of God happens AFTER the great tribulation because the sounding of the seventh trumpet marks the end of the great tribulation (Revelation 11:15–19) and marks the beginning of God’s wrath (Revelation 15:5–8l).
If you don't want to receive it, that's fine. It will help other people who want to know where in the Bible to see this distinction between the great tribulation and God's wrath.
Orange is not my color, so I can't wear it, but I'll try to incorporate the color in stuff I use like notebooks and pens.
You said that you might get mad. That makes me wonder, what do you think we get to do when we go with Jesus to armageddon? While He's coming after satan, the antichrist, and the false prophet, do we get to fight too? Or just stand there to witness Jesus kicking their butts?
Still Pre trib for me. Not much study or doctrine provided to convince me otherwise.
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This is the Lord I know also who has a plan to save his people from judgment just as in the days of Noah and Lot.
But there will be no signs beforehand as said in Luke 17. “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed.
All the signs are events inside the Tribulation:
Sun to darkness, moon to blood red before the Day of the Lord. Acts 2
Last Trump/Trumpet--1 Corinthians 15
“See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. Malachi 4:5
While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
Orange is not my color, so I can't wear it, but I'll try to incorporate the color in stuff I use like notebooks and pens.
You said that you might get mad. That makes me wonder, what do you think we get to do when we go with Jesus to armageddon? While He's coming after satan, the antichrist, and the false prophet, do we get to fight too? Or just stand there to witness Jesus kicking their butts?
I honestly don't know. I'm guessing the LORD can handle it. Still trying to grasp Revelation, working on it though.
What do you think?
I honestly don't know. I'm guessing the LORD can handle it. Still trying to grasp Revelation, working on it though.
Yeah, you're right, Jesus IS very powerful. Plus He's got His angels with Him too.
It's just ... well, I guess it will be nice to watch the perverts get their butts kicked.
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Yeah the book of Revelation is challenging to understand, but know that God will help you understand it as the day gets closer.
It's important to recognize Jesus' voice and let Him teach you from His word because when the great trbulation arrives, we will probably lose internet access and all Christians get cut off fom each other because they won't be able to pay the fees from not taking the mark.
So work on getting closer to Jesus in your walk to so trust Him so that the great tribulation no longer makes you sad, distressed, depressed or any other feeling that can keep you from keeping your eyes on Him.
I won't have any fear of the great tribulation like I did at first, but I keep up my walk wite God to maintain it, so there is no end point to it. We have to keep on keeping on until Jesus returns and transforms us.
So continue to study Revelation! I wil post whatever God shows me, but He will show you and others stuff as well to share with the rest of us. He does that to bring us close to each other as brothers and sisters in Christ - the true church.
I tell you what. Just in case any posttribber clicked on something someone said about pre trib, and wants to study it a wee bit more for themselves. Maybe, who knows. But here is a list of all of my rapture pre trib scriptures. I don't want to see any of you posttribbers get left behind.
Pre_Trib Rapture Scriptures.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
1 Thessalonians 5:3, 5:9
Revelation 3:10
Isaiah 26:19-21
John 14:1-3
1 Corinthians 15:1-53
Romans 5:9
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Romans 8:19
1 Corinthians 1:7-8
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
Philippians 3:20-21
Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 2:19
1 Thessalonians 5:10, 5:23
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Timothy 6:14
Hebrews 9:28
James 5:7-9
1 Peter 1:7, 1:13
1 John 2:28-32
Jude 21
Revelation 2:25
Revelation 16:15
1 Thessalonians 1:10
Every single one of those scriptures have something to say about the Pre_Trib Rapture or that we are not subject to or appointed to Wrath.
Look up every one and meditate on it, pray about it...and come back with questions of you like.
Pre_Trib Rapture Scriptures.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
1 Thessalonians 5:3, 5:9
Revelation 3:10
Isaiah 26:19-21
John 14:1-3
1 Corinthians 15:1-53
Romans 5:9
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Romans 8:19
1 Corinthians 1:7-8
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
Philippians 3:20-21
Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 2:19
1 Thessalonians 5:10, 5:23
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Timothy 6:14
Hebrews 9:28
James 5:7-9
1 Peter 1:7, 1:13
1 John 2:28-32
Jude 21
Revelation 2:25
Revelation 16:15
1 Thessalonians 1:10
Every single one of those scriptures have something to say about the Pre_Trib Rapture or that we are not subject to or appointed to Wrath.
Look up every one and meditate on it, pray about it...and come back with questions of you like.