Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

[kinda]

It's pretty simple. Remember during the covid vaccinations, people were required to take the shot to be abe to keep working, or be fired for refusing it?

Only with the mark of the beast, refusing the mark and/or refusing to worship the antichrist will not only take away your ability to buy or sell, but will also get you executed too.

Personally, it would be better to be executed than slowly die from starvation or being burnt to a crisp by the sun.

Also as you know, the first four trumpets will bring global disasters. This will make the world unbearable to live in. Food will become scarce and there will be massive inflation. Those who take the mark to keep buying and selling will not have much resources to produce and sell things or have enough money stuff to buy everything they need and want.

About moving to the country....the globalists want to move everyone to the cities and prohibit people from living in more rural areas.

Yeah, the situation is dire, and this is why God’s people need to have strong faith in Jesus to be abe to endure all this without falling away.

We should talk about how God helped some people survive the holocaust for the people God meant to be "alive and remain."


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Right! Pretty much what I was thinking. Those who survive will pretty much have supernatural help, or just be lucky. Just so many crazy things going in the tribulation.

In that movie you posted, they wanted to send like 25k Jews, but about 10k either left Paris, or were hidden by the French people. It's a good point, when your friends warn you, that your gonna be rounded up soon, probably a good time to run to the hills, or say your prayers..

Just to many unknown variables to make rational decisions on preparations, except trust the Lord. I'm sure God will lead you, if you are gonna be one of the chosen people, that will endure to the end.

 

[GaryA]

It's very easy to not surrender everything to the Lord.

The best that I know how. Until one day the Lord asked me can He have that? (Control of my life). I said yes. Now, it's the best He knows how!!

I dont have a very good track record in my eyes so it's better that He runs things!.

I was doing one of my last side jobs before retiring for real and I had to fix a man's furnace. I didnt have the part so I had to go get it. On the way back to the customers house I was wondering how much I should charge him. I wanted to give the man a real good deal for the Lord, but I couldn't settle on a price, so I prayed about it, Lord how much should I charge this man?

He answered me at once, He said dont charge Him anything. I hee-hawed about it because I wanted to give him a rocking deal plus put a few dollars in my pocket to at least cover the gas. And the Lord says real clear, Didn't you give your life to Me? And I said, Yes Lord. So He said, then it belongs to Me and it's not your business anymore......

(DOH!) He was right and put things in perspective for me!

One thing it would do each of us well and good to never forget - you cannot out-give God.

Sometimes it is best for us to "just give" - trusting that the Lord knows what good thing He plans to do with that...

 

[GaryA]

Nope. A person's eschatology has zero to do with are they rapture ready. When Jesus shows up He wont care about what doctrine you hold to, how many verses you've memorized or anything like that. Do you know Him? Personally?

John 4:23-24
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth..../KJV

Do you think that this is a suggestion or a command? I think it's clear.

You must be in contact with the Lord spiritually, spirit to Spirit.

Can you hear God's still small voice within you? It doesnt take long to learn how He talks so it's easy to know, hey that wasnt me! Lord is that you?!

Doesnt scripture say we should be led by the Spirit? It's simple but hard to learn. If you can't hear God's still small voice, I would be looking at my relationship with the Lord and taking steps tp reconcile and be sure to be rapture ready.

http://mywebsite.us/ABA/Topics/In_Spirit_And_In_Truth.html

 

[GaryA]

So in otheer words, you cant answer his question.

First of all, it is a 'her'. Second, she seems to be a really sweet gal - and, I like her 'persona' on this site - and, I would not so much as want to hurt her feelings. I am not against her in any way. However, I also do not like the "game playing" bit that pre-trib folks do.

Is it not a bit foolish to say that you disagree with something that you do not understand? And then, instead of trying to focus on understanding that first - you insist that the one trying to help you understand it should simply agree to what you believe out-of-hand?

Over the last [20 years?], I have acknowledged more times than anyone on here can count what pre-trib folks believe - partially because I used to believe it myself at one time in the past. And, she knows that very well. She is trying to "play me" - which I am not going to go along with.

 

[GaryA]

I like a lot of people on here. That is, I like their 'persona' on this site - what they put forth - what they seem to be. And, we do not have to agree on everything-under-the-sun for me to like them - because, it is the person that I like. That is why I do not "turn" on people just because they disagree with me.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Right! Pretty much what I was thinking. Those who survive will pretty much have supernatural help, or just be lucky. Just so many crazy things going in the tribulation.

In that movie you posted, they wanted to send like 25k Jews, but about 10k either left Paris, or were hidden by the French people. It's a good point, when your friends warn you, that your gonna be rounded up soon, probably a good time to run to the hills, or say your prayers..

Just to many unknown variables to make rational decisions on preparations, except trust the Lord. I'm sure God will lead you, if you are gonna be one of the chosen people, that will endure to the end.

(I'm going to die, God said so and I'm fine with that. This post is for the peopie who God meant to be alive and remain.)

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Let's start with the example of Noah. God was very specfic in His instructions to Noah and Noah followed those instructions exactly,

Noah also showed great faith during the ENTIRE flood. He didnt fall apart and panic when the ark was being buffetted by the wind, rain, and waves as the water started filling up the earth.

Also when the godless people saw the water was continuing to rise and not abate, Noah might have heard them crying out. But God had shut him, his family and all the animals in. He couldn't do anything to help them but he was also witnessing God's protection from the godless people (who probably would try to take over the ark) and from the flood itself.

Noah was also patient with God's timing. Not only through the 40 days df the flood filling the world, but also waiting for it to dry up enough for him to leave the ark.

People just need to remember that the great tribulation is just 3-1/2 years. Hitler got to rule the third reich for 12 years, but the antichrist will only rule the world for the few years of the great tribulation.

More to come....

 

[kinda]

(I'm going to die, God said so and I'm fine with that. This post is for the peopie who God meant to be alive and remain.)

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Let's start with the example of Noah. God was very specfic in His instructions to Noah and Noah followed those instructions exactly,

Noah also showed great faith during the ENTIRE flood. He didnt fall apart and panic when the ark was being buffetted by the wind, rain, and waves as the water started filling up the earth.

Also when the godless people saw the water was continuing to rise and not abate, Noah might have heard them crying out. But God had shut him, his family and all the animals in. He couldn't do anything to help them but he was also witnessing God's protection from the godless people (who probably would try to take over the ark) and from the flood itself.

Noah was also patient with God's timing. Not only through the 40 days df the flood filling the world, but also waiting for it to dry up enough for him to leave the ark.

People just need to remember that the great tribulation is just 3-1/2 years. Hitler got to rule the third reich for 12 years, but the antichrist will only rule the world for the few years of the great tribulation.

More to come....

Well, most people die. It's gonna be a real struggle during the great tribulation, so probably consider yourself lucky, if you get to cut short the misery. Sure, there are benefits, but it's just a literal hell on earth during that time. The main thing is keep the faith until the end of your days, finish the race is key.

So, it sounds like you got confirmation, that we are in the end times???

I mean just imagine, if your out in the sticks, and your all ready for the worst of the worst, and your well dries up, or something. It's not like you can google well drillers, and ask for help drilling a well. lol I mean, what are the odds someone is gonna help you, when the world has become crazy land. You might be scared calling someone over, that will steal your food, or shoot you for whatever you have. I don't know..

Can you imagine how desperate people will get, when they haven't eaten for a week or two?? I mean, look what happens when electronics go on sale, a storm hits, or a mass campaign of vaccinations happens?? The unvaccinated were literally being blamed for Covid. It was some how our fault, that the vaccine wasn't working.

Whatever happens in the future, God has given me an amazing life. I could of had it better, but definitely there was lots of room to have it worse. I have one friend who is an army vet and he knows people, has some guns, and he trusts me. I have another friend who knows the Bible really well. So, I'm lucky to have two friends, if things go South. In any event, if total chaos breaks, we all get to see how God works in our life.

 

[Omegatime]

Well, most people die. It's gonna be a real struggle during the great tribulation, so probably consider yourself lucky, if you get to cut short the misery. Sure, there are benefits, but it's just a literal hell on earth during that time. The main thing is keep the faith until the end of your days, finish the race is key.

So, it sounds like you got confirmation, that we are in the end times???

I mean just imagine, if your out in the sticks, and your all ready for the worst of the worst, and your well dries up, or something. It's not like you can google well drillers, and ask for help drilling a well. lol I mean, what are the odds someone is gonna help you, when the world has become crazy land. You might be scared calling someone over, that will steal your food, or shoot you for whatever you have. I don't know..

Can you imagine how desperate people will get, when they haven't eaten for a week or two?? I mean, look what happens when electronics go on sale, a storm hits, or a mass campaign of vaccinations happens?? The unvaccinated were literally being blamed for Covid. It was some how our fault, that the vaccine wasn't working.

Whatever happens in the future, God has given me an amazing life. I could of had it better, but definitely there was lots of room to have it worse. I have one friend who is an army vet and he knows people, has some guns, and he trusts me. I have another friend who knows the Bible really well. So, I'm lucky to have two friends, if things go South. In any event, if total chaos breaks, we all get to see how God works in our life.

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Why do you worry???????????

Matthew 6:
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?
31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.

33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 

[GaryA]

I mean just imagine, if your out in the sticks, and your all ready for the worst of the worst, and your well dries up, or something. It's not like you can google well drillers, and ask for help drilling a well. lol I mean, what are the odds someone is gonna help you, when the world has become crazy land. You might be scared calling someone over, that will steal your food, or shoot you for whatever you have. I don't know..

Can you imagine how desperate people will get, when they haven't eaten for a week or two?? I mean, look what happens when electronics go on sale, a storm hits, or a mass campaign of vaccinations happens?? The unvaccinated were literally being blamed for Covid. It was some how our fault, that the vaccine wasn't working.

Whatever happens in the future, God has given me an amazing life. I could of had it better, but definitely there was lots of room to have it worse. I have one friend who is an army vet and he knows people, has some guns, and he trusts me. I have another friend who knows the Bible really well. So, I'm lucky to have two friends, if things go South. In any event, if total chaos breaks, we all get to see how God works in our life.

In such a situation, it is very important that you know who you can really trust.

 

[faithlife]

the wrath of God intensifies significantly and is poured out heavily during the last half of the seven-year tribulation, often called "The Great Tribulation". While the first 3 1/2 years involve persecution by the Antichrist, the final 3 1/2 years are characterized by the seven bowls of God's wrath.

• The Great Tribulation (Last 3.5 Years): This period is defined by intense, direct divine judgments against the kingdom of the Antichrist and rebellious humanity.

The Bible promises us that no believer will suffer the Wrath of God.

Why would God, the perfect Father, put His obedient children through a period of His wrath? Can someone explain the reason God would do this, punish the righteous with the wicked?

 

[Edward429451]

if things go South.

If? Don't you mean when?

 

[Edward429451]

Who knows what the purpose of the great trib is?

 

[Psalm1]

If there is a seven year tribulation period it should be clear in the bible. All you have to do is show that it clearly exists using scripture and maybe that other half would accept it.

Dan 9 around vs 27.
Clear as a bell.
No brainer.

 

[Psalm1]

"Also, I can't fathom our Perfect Heavenly Father leaving His obedient children here to bear the persecution of the a/c along with the lukewarm Christians, unbelievers and the bad. Many many left behind will recognize what happened, just as Christians & the Word foretold, and decide they want to go to Heaven. They will be on the run and persecuted."



Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs. Read about Jesus' death. Read about the persecution of the 12 Disciples. Read about the current church being persecuted around the world. Read about how much persecution the Roman Catholic Church has persecuted both the Jews and the Protestants. Read about how Hitler murdered the Jews.

Entitled Christians in the America think no trials will come upon them... "Oh no, not me. I'm gonna get raptured, before any trials come." All I got to say, be very thankful we live in the West, where Christianity hasn't cost you a whole lot. In other countries, people fear for their life every day.

In Revelation 7:14-17, it is stated that "These are they which came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

14 And I said to him, [a]“Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [b]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”



Commentary on Revelation 7:14-17
" This passage describes a group of individuals who have emerged from a challenging period of persecution, symbolized by the washing of their robes in the blood of the Lamb. They are promised eternal rest and are before the throne of God, serving Him day and night. This imagery often refers to the Christian faithful who endure trials and tribulations, ultimately finding redemption and peace. "

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.


Matthew 24
The Coming of the Son of Man

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


1 Thessalonians 4
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.


(d) 1 Thessalonians 4:15 (Dead)


Those who are alive when the Lord returns, will not proceed those who are dead in the gathering of saints in heaven. The elect are gathered after the tribulation (see Matthew 24). The elect will be headed for not taking the mark of the beast, during the tribulation. THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE WHEN THE LORD RETURNS, WILL NOT PROCEED THOSE WHO ARE DEAD. THE ELECT ARE GATHERED AFTER THE TRIBULATION (SEE MATTHEW 24:29-31).

lol Come on people, try to understand....

You left out the verses making your rapture model impossible.

One of which is Rev 14:14, which is a gathering DURING THE TRIB.

1thes 4 declare there is no gathering PRIOR TO THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISING.

....That is nowhere in any postrib teaching.
That is impossibility no 1 .

There are others.
That postrib doctrine has very little research, and a ton of omissions.

You are presenting a model based on emotion, ( postrib false talking point that us pretribbers never have trials), rather than fact.

 

[Psalm1]

"Also, I can't fathom our Perfect Heavenly Father leaving His obedient children here to bear the persecution of the a/c along with the lukewarm Christians, unbelievers and the bad. Many many left behind will recognize what happened, just as Christians & the Word foretold, and decide they want to go to Heaven. They will be on the run and persecuted."



Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs. Read about Jesus' death. Read about the persecution of the 12 Disciples. Read about the current church being persecuted around the world. Read about how much persecution the Roman Catholic Church has persecuted both the Jews and the Protestants. Read about how Hitler murdered the Jews.

Entitled Christians in the America think no trials will come upon them... "Oh no, not me. I'm gonna get raptured, before any trials come." All I got to say, be very thankful we live in the West, where Christianity hasn't cost you a whole lot. In other countries, people fear for their life every day.

In Revelation 7:14-17, it is stated that "These are they which came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

14 And I said to him, [a]“Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [b]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”



Commentary on Revelation 7:14-17
" This passage describes a group of individuals who have emerged from a challenging period of persecution, symbolized by the washing of their robes in the blood of the Lamb. They are promised eternal rest and are before the throne of God, serving Him day and night. This imagery often refers to the Christian faithful who endure trials and tribulations, ultimately finding redemption and peace. "

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.


Matthew 24
The Coming of the Son of Man

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


1 Thessalonians 4
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.


(d) 1 Thessalonians 4:15 (Dead)


Those who are alive when the Lord returns, will not proceed those who are dead in the gathering of saints in heaven. The elect are gathered after the tribulation (see Matthew 24). The elect will be headed for not taking the mark of the beast, during the tribulation. THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE WHEN THE LORD RETURNS, WILL NOT PROCEED THOSE WHO ARE DEAD. THE ELECT ARE GATHERED AFTER THE TRIBULATION (SEE MATTHEW 24:29-31).

lol Come on people, try to understand....

Your mat 24 verse says the elect are gathered from heaven AFTER THE TRIB.

Gathered BY ANGELS IN HEAVEN.

You just posted a pretrib rapture verse.

 

[tttallison]

Dan 9 around vs 27.
Clear as a bell.
No brainer.

No it isn't clear as a bell. My bible says the Prince will confirm a covenant for seven years. It says nothing about seven years of tribulation. It says, because of abominations the sacrifice and oblation shall be made desolate. Who do you think the Prince is? I ask because the King James translators believed it to be the Messiah.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Well, most people die. It's gonna be a real struggle during the great tribulation, so probably consider yourself lucky, if you get to cut short the misery. Sure, there are benefits, but it's just a literal hell on earth during that time. The main thing is keep the faith until the end of your days, finish the race is key.

So, it sounds like you got confirmation, that we are in the end times???

I mean just imagine, if your out in the sticks, and your all ready for the worst of the worst, and your well dries up, or something. It's not like you can google well drillers, and ask for help drilling a well. lol I mean, what are the odds someone is gonna help you, when the world has become crazy land. You might be scared calling someone over, that will steal your food, or shoot you for whatever you have. I don't know..

Can you imagine how desperate people will get, when they haven't eaten for a week or two?? I mean, look what happens when electronics go on sale, a storm hits, or a mass campaign of vaccinations happens?? The unvaccinated were literally being blamed for Covid. It was some how our fault, that the vaccine wasn't working.

Whatever happens in the future, God has given me an amazing life. I could of had it better, but definitely there was lots of room to have it worse. I have one friend who is an army vet and he knows people, has some guns, and he trusts me. I have another friend who knows the Bible really well. So, I'm lucky to have two friends, if things go South. In any event, if total chaos breaks, we all get to see how God works in our life.

Talk to God about what He wants from you and then do exactly what He tells you. He might tell you that you're going to come home to Him, or He might tell you you'll see Him return for you. Or He might not tell you either way to deepen your trust in Him. This is why everyone must build their faith to endure in Christ, so you'll be calm enough to hear from Him and not misunderstand Him or take natters into your own hands and be out of His will. Also remember that the Holy Spirit is with you, and He will take care of you and help you to carry out His instructions. You will never be alone.

I'm going to talk about another way God helped people survive the holocaust.

Some Jews and other targetted groups survived by becoming servants who worked for their bosses for free, but received food and boarding (if they lost their homes). From what I've read, bosses are a mixed bag. Some bosses were good, but some bosses weren't. Some should have been in prison for the terrible things they did to their servants.

A good movie to watch is Schindler's List that contrasted between two bosses.

Pray that if you're to survive this way that you end up with a good boss that treats you well. If the boss is generous, then please share the food and other essentials you receive to others who aren't so lucky

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You mentioned if I was sure that we are in the end-times. Yes, but not in the great tribulation yet. The great falling away is already underway. We should watch for the revealing of the antchridt after the EU elections in 2029.

But before that, there will be some sort of agreement among many which is suppse to look last for 7 years (that the antivhrist will break in the middle of that 7 years) and the Jews will be allowed to have their temple built and begin their daily sacrifices.

So the next thing to watch for is that treaty with many. It will have to do with Israel. The October 7 War made it official that the whole world turns against Israel by voting to acknowledge Palestine and to divide the land (a big no-no in God's book) which sets everything up for that treaty. Not sure if Pres. Trump's plan will be adopted for that, but may be the prototype for it.

More to come.....


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[faithlife]

the wrath of God intensifies significantly and is poured out heavily during the last half of the seven-year tribulation, often called "The Great Tribulation". While the first 3 1/2 years involve persecution by the Antichrist, the final 3 1/2 years are characterized by the seven bowls of God's wrath.

• The Great Tribulation (Last 3.5 Years): This period is defined by intense, direct divine judgments against the kingdom of the Antichrist and rebellious humanity.

The Bible promises us that no believer will suffer the Wrath of God.

I'm thinking of Noah's Ark, Sodom & Gomorrah, Passover, Exodus, Rahab et al He spared His chosen

So why would God, the perfect Father, put His obedient children through a period of His WRATH? Can someone explain the reason God would do this, punish the righteous with the wicked?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

the wrath of God intensifies significantly and is poured out heavily during the last half of the seven-year tribulation, often called "The Great Tribulation". While the first 3 1/2 years involve persecution by the Antichrist, the final 3 1/2 years are characterized by the seven bowls of God's wrath.
The Great Tribulation (Last 3.5 Years): This period is defined by intense, direct divine judgments against the kingdom of the Antichrist and rebellious humanity.
The Bible promises us that no believer will suffer the Wrath of God.

I'm thinking of Noah's Ark, Sodom & Gomorrah, Passover, Exodus, Rahab et al He spared His chosen

So why would God, the perfect Father, put His obedient children through a period of His WRATH? Can someone explain the reason God would do this, punish the righteous with the wicked?

Well, people already told you that the great triblation is not God's wrath, but rather satan's wrath against God's people.

This is God's reason for allowing it....

AI helped me put this together:

More people were saved during times of persecution than not, according to biblical and historical evidence.

Biblical Perspective: The book of Revelation describes a massive revival during the Great Tribulation, stating, "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb..." (Revelation 7:9). This indicates that salvation will increase dramatically during periods of intense persecution, as people turn to Christ in desperation and faith.

Historical Evidence: Early Christianity grew rapidly despite severe persecution. Tertullian famously wrote, "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church," highlighting how persecution fueled expansion. In the Roman Empire, Christians faced execution, torture, and exile, yet the faith spread across regions like Judea, Samaria, and beyond—exactly as described in Acts 8:1–4, where persecution scattered believers who then preached the gospel.

Theological Insight: Persecution often exposes the weakness of worldly comfort and draws people to God. As John Piper notes, "God uses the persecution and suffering of his people to spread the truth of Christ and to bless the world." Prosperity can lead to spiritual complacency, while suffering often deepens faith and commitment.

In summary, history and Scripture show that persecution has consistently led to greater spiritual awakening and salvation, not less.

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Whether you accept this or not, the persecution of us is actually a good thing and will bring in more people to become our brothers and sisters in Christ, so you've got to stop being selfish and think it's all about you and your comfort.

 

[Edward429451]

Why would you let AI tell you what to believe? Nevertheless I do think there will be a huge worldwide revival during this time. Right after the rapture when millions who think they are ready will see that the rapture happened and they were left behind!