Please help me to understand

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Psalm1 said:
The deity of Jesus.

Was Jesus created?

I don't post ANYTHING that is NOT in God's Word.

The word trinity does not scare me or move me.

I am not trying to mentally reinvent what the Bible says about Jesus.

You seem to be on a quest to nullify what the Father says about the Son.
Heb 1
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Psalm1 said:
Could be Jesus.
I am not sure.
What is your insight?
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I think it must b Jesus , which other man was more precious than gold ? Who else could it possibly b ? Please b aware that there r , and have been for many hundreds of years , people / denominations that do not believe that Jesus is God . Attacking each other doesn't serve any purpose other than to provoke negative emotions . Negative emotions r not a great starting place to helping each other to grow in understanding and faith .
 
Psalm1 said:
How does a brown cow eat green grass and produce white milk?

You think you have the answer to HOW Jesus was "chemically incarnated"?
( or whatever mental dynamics you are applying)
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The only way that Mary could be the mother of Jesus and Jesus be a descendent of Adam through Mary would be for God to create the other chromosomes to complete Jesus' DNA. In this way, God created the physical part of Jesus, and Jesus of Nazareth was created. Unless you have some other answer.
 
Psalm1 said:
Oh wow.
When did you attain deity?
You can now resurrect yourself?
It is bothersome to you that Jesus said He Himself would raise himself from the dead?
That is doom to you?
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When did Jesus say he would raise himself from the dead? Jesus said he would lay down His life/soul (psuchE) and and receive (lambanO) it back, not take (aireO) it back. He said He would stand back up (egerO) the body (sOma) the Jews would destroy. He did this after receiving (lambanO) back His life (psuchE).

Jhn 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (ἐγερῶ)
Jhn 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body. (τοῦ σώματος αὐτοῦ)

Jhn 10:17

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
Jhn 10:18
“No one takes (αἴρει) it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power/authority (ἐξουσίαν) to lay it down (θεῖναι), and I have power/authority (ἐξουσίαν) to take it ( λαβεῖν) again. This command I have received (ἔλαβον) from My Father.”

Note the two different words in Greek, aireO (I take), and lambanO (I receive), which the KJV fails to distinguish because the translators wanted to force the text to teach their Christology , that Jesus was omnipotent as a man. Jesus did not take (aireO) , this commandment from the Father, He received (lambanO) it from Him.
 
PaulThomson said:
When did Jesus say he would raise himself from the dead? Jesus said he would lay down His life/soul (psuchE) and and receive (lambanO) it back, not take (aireO) it back. He said He would stand back up (egerO) the body (sOma) the Jews would destroy. He did this after receiving (lambanO) back His life (psuchE).

Jhn 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (ἐγερῶ)
Jhn 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body. (τοῦ σώματος αὐτοῦ)

Jhn 10:17

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
Jhn 10:18
“No one takes (αἴρει) it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power/authority (ἐξουσίαν) to lay it down (θεῖναι), and I have power/authority (ἐξουσίαν) to take it ( λαβεῖν) again. This command I have received (ἔλαβον) from My Father.”

Note the two different words in Greek, aireO (I take), and lambanO (I receive), which the KJV fails to distinguish because the translators wanted to force the text to teach their Christology , that Jesus was omnipotent as a man. Jesus did not take (aireO) , this commandment from the Father, He received (lambanO) it from Him.
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We all can see Jesus said he would raise himself from the dead.

Is it that, that is troublesome, or the deity of Jesus that is troublesome to you?
 
Falconn007 said:
I answered your mundane questions several times, but your carnal stubbornness will not release and unbound the spirit within, and that remains your catastrophic LOST!
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I read your posts, but you are hiding your affiliation.
Either you are ashamed of those with your beliefs, or you hide to deceive us.

Why hide it?
Spewing against me personally adds to the strange hiding of who you are camped with.
 
Suze said:
I think it must b Jesus , which other man was more precious than gold ? Who else could it possibly b ? Please b aware that there r , and have been for many hundreds of years , people / denominations that do not believe that Jesus is God . Attacking each other doesn't serve any purpose other than to provoke negative emotions . Negative emotions r not a great starting place to helping each other to grow in understanding and faith .
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I am doing what you are doing.
Blabbing away like everyone else in here.

If they go personal on me, I push back.
If they want a civil back and forth, I am game.

My position here is concept vs concept.

The web is worldwide.
So the evil of religion that attacks the person of Jesus needs correction.
I will gladly force them to go against the bible.
 
Psalm1 said:
We all can see Jesus said he would raise himself from the dead.

Is it that, that is troublesome, or the deity of Jesus that is troublesome to you?
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I raise my body up every day (from my bed). I don't bring myself back to life from the dead every day. Jesus saying he will rise up his body is not a claim that He will bring His own soul up from sheol/hades. Scripture in many places says God did that, not that Jesus did that..
 
PaulThomson said:
IMO, Jesus did not say what the KJV translates the Greek as,
Jhn 10:18
No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

10:18 οὐδεὶς (No one) αἴρει (is taking, present active indicative) αὐτὴν (it, ψυχήν psuchE from v. 17)) ἀπ᾽ ἐμοῦ (away from me) ἀλλ᾽ (but) ἐγὼ (I) τίθημι (am placing/laying, present active indicative) αὐτὴν (it) ἀπ᾽ ἐμαυτοῦ (away from myself). ἐξουσίαν (authority) ἔχω (I am having) θεῖναι (to start laying down, 2nd aorist active infinitive) αὐτήν (it) καὶ ἐξουσίαν (and authority) ἔχω (I am having, present active indicative) πάλιν (again) λαβεῖν (2nd aorist active infinitive, to start receiving) αὐτήν (it). ταύτην (This is) τὴν ἐντολὴν (the command) ἔλαβον (I receive/d, 2nd aorist active indicative) παρὰ (from) τοῦ πατρός (the father) μου (of me).

aireO and lambanO are two different Greek words. Jesus is not say that He has authority to take His soul (ψυχήν) back, but that He has authority to receive it back. Jesus did not release His own soul/life from hades. His Father released his soul from Hades, and put it back in Jesus' body. Then Jesus raised his own body up from the stone slab.
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not in context.
NO sir, You are using the Greek translation, First off the context starts at verse 1 and ends at verse 30.

the chapter is very Clear Jesus is speaking and said "I have the power to lay it down of my own free will and I have the power to take it up or do as I please. This is what Jesus was talking about in verse 17

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again."
The Jesus spoke about in this chapter in verse six it states "This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. "

WE do not get the full understanding until Jesus says the following after verse 17 and 18:

19 Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. (why)
20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.
24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.(in verse 4, 14)
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. (Repeated verse 4, 14)
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
30 I and My Father are one.”
 
CS1 said:
not in context.
NO sir, You are using the Greek translation, First off the context starts at verse 1 and ends at verse 30.

the chapter is very Clear Jesus is speaking and said "I have the power to lay it down of my own free will and I have the power to take it up or do as I please. This is what Jesus was talking about in verse 17

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again."
The Jesus spoke about in this chapter in verse six it states "This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. "

WE do not get the full understanding until Jesus says the following after verse 17 and 18:

19 Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. (why)
20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.
24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.(in verse 4, 14)
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. (Repeated verse 4, 14)
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
30 I and My Father are one.”
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Jesus and I are one. That doesn't mean I can raise myself from the dead. Your argument makes no logical sense.
 
PaulThomson said:
I raise my body up every day (from my bed). I don't bring myself back to life from the dead every day. Jesus saying he will rise up his body is not a claim that He will bring His own soul up from sheol/hades. Scripture in many places says God did that, not that Jesus did that..
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Who is Jesus?
Deity?
Creator ?
Created ?
 
PaulThomson said:
Jesus and I are one. That doesn't mean I can raise myself from the dead. Your argument makes no logical sense.
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first off dead is not inexistent. Why you limit GOD? That's your problem. Human reasoning is substandard to God. Its not my human reasoning, I trust in what the word actually said over human rationale.
 
Idol worshiping is never a good sign of anyone who falsely claim to be 'christians'

1 Corinthians 8:1
1Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

2And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

3But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

4Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.

5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

6yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

7However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.

witness...

John 16:27
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I[Jesus] came out from God.

28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

>>>> There is NO! Holy scriptures stating God came out of the Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

>>>> And now the finale :

Ephesians 1:17
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,

And there it is, ***Proof Jesus has a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) ***

OH.... you want more you ask ....

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms.

2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

These verse were written long after Jesus is raised from the dead, raised in Spirit and restored back to his former glory.

mic drop ........ :)
 
CS1 said:
first off dead is not inexistent. Why you limit GOD? That's your problem. Human reasoning is substandard to God. Its not my human reasoning, I trust in what the word actually said over human rationale.
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I have never said that dead is nonexistent.
Your claim that I am limiting God is a fallacious moralistic argument.
You are relying on human reasoning - platonic philosophy - to decide what God must be like , and are imposing that on the Bible.
And you are not trusting what the words of scripture, which were given by God in Greek, Hebrew and Chaldee actually said.
 
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