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Your theory is the "one who created all things both visible and invisible".....Yes, Jesus is created.
Colossians 1:15 ("firstborn of all creation") and Revelation 3:14 ("beginning of the creation by God"
To share this truth :
Jesus is the WISDOM of God, if you KNOW Jesus and God's relationship, there is absolutely noway, anyone would disagree here , is this not Truth !?!
1 Corinthians 1:24
but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
witness...
Colossians 2:3
in[Jesus] whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
>>>> The OT even testified to this truth :
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him—the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and strength, the Spirit of knowledge and fear of the LORD.
Here is the creation of God's Wisdom[Jesus] :
Proverbs 8
12“I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
And find out knowledge and discretion.
13The fear of the Lord is to hate evil;
Pride and arrogance and the evil way
And the perverse mouth I hate.
14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, I have strength.
15By me kings reign,
And rulers decree justice.
16By me princes rule, and nobles,
All the judges of the earth.
17I love those who love me,
And those who seek me diligently will find me.
18Riches and honor are with me,
Enduring riches and righteousness.
19My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold,
And my revenue than choice silver.
20I traverse the way of righteousness,
In the midst of the paths of justice,
21That I may cause those who love me to inherit wealth,
That I may fill their treasuries.
22“The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
24When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was brought forth;
26While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields,
Or the primal dust of the world.
27When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
29When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31Rejoicing in His inhabited world,
And my delight was with the sons of men.
32“Now therefore, listen to me, my children,
For blessed are those who keep my ways.
33Hear instruction and be wise,
And do not disdain it.
34Blessed is the man who listens to me,
Watching daily at my gates,
Waiting at the posts of my doors.
35For whoever finds me finds life,
And obtains favor from the Lord;
36But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul;
All those who hate me love death.”
>>>> I know, it is hard to let go of all your carnal riches, That is why Jesus gave the parable of Lazarus and the richman. However it all comes down to choice, you either receive this Truth in Spirit or reject this Truth.
This is what the Word of God states, despite your mocking of me... "You seem to be on a quest to nullify what the Father says about the Son."
CREATED HIMSELF??????
WHAT A JOKE THAT CULT IS THAT DECIEVED YOU.
""Yes, I work in Faithful Spirit(works) to be filled by the 'Holy Spirit', the Helper, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Jesus sent by the Father in Jesus's name""
Watchtower?
IMO, Jesus did not say what the KJV translates the Greek as,
Jhn 10:18
No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
10:18 οὐδεὶς (No one) αἴρει (is taking, present active indicative) αὐτὴν (it, ψυχήν psuchE from v. 17)) ἀπ᾽ ἐμοῦ (away from me) ἀλλ᾽ (but) ἐγὼ (I) τίθημι (am placing/laying, present active indicative) αὐτὴν (it) ἀπ᾽ ἐμαυτοῦ (away from myself). ἐξουσίαν (authority) ἔχω (I am having) θεῖναι (to start laying down, 2nd aorist active infinitive) αὐτήν (it) καὶ ἐξουσίαν (and authority) ἔχω (I am having, present active indicative) πάλιν (again) λαβεῖν (2nd aorist active infinitive, to start receiving) αὐτήν (it). ταύτην (This is) τὴν ἐντολὴν (the command) ἔλαβον (I receive/d, 2nd aorist active indicative) παρὰ (from) τοῦ πατρός (the father) μου (of me).
aireO and lambanO are two different Greek words. Jesus is not say that He has authority to take His soul (ψυχήν) back, but that He has authority to receive it back. Jesus did not release His own soul/life from hades. His Father released his soul from Hades, and put it back in Jesus' body. Then Jesus raised his own body up from the stone slab.
Actually, the Word of God did have a hand in creating Jesus of Nazareth, the man. But He did not do it alone.
John 14
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
The same Jesus of rev "I am the same yesterday, today, and forever.
That same Jesus, in heaven, became a man.
Not another created being.
Jesus, according To the bible created all things visible and invisible.
All things.
Jesus can not be a created being.
You are the cult, You spread theoretical lies from man's teachings.
Jesus stated :
John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father[God] is greater than I.
Only fools would believe God came down in the form of his enemy and raised himself from the dead , what a complete idiotic mockery of what God states. You embrace death, as something to look forward to and not be transcend unto Spirit what a crock...
I shared this Truth for those readers who see through your childish tantrums and not as a response to your carnal ignorance. You are to enamored in your arrogance to know you are the problem and not a part of the solution, even though God's Word screams at people such as yourself to stop being the problem and become a solution for others(a Guiding light) , you persist in your carnal idiocracy.
Romans 8:1
1There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
>>>> Jesus in the flesh can not please God, Jesus pleased God by becoming a Spiritual-man while in the flesh. This is the foundation laid on rock(Spiritual Truth)Thus while cemented to earth in a flesh-embodiment, his Spirit rose up to the Heavens simultaneously.
9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him[God] who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He[God] who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
>>>> Yeah keep on traveling your blind road to destruction, I bare witness to your blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and shake my sandals at your carnal ignorance. and you claim I am the occult, while you ignorantly state: Jesus the God died on the cross, imagine that silly notion the ETERNAL God dying and raising himself .... WOW!
Can I ask u ? Isaiah chapter 13 verse 12 , who do u think this person / man can b ?
There is a reason why it had to be God on the cross.
And that reason, among others, is that only God could resurrect.
Another good man would not do.
As in Abraham and Isaac a son was placed on an alter/ instead of a cross.
The father was set to sacrifice his son.
The sacrifice was stopped, not because of a certain death, but because the man Isaac could not resurrect.
God would have had to resurrect him as Abraham indicated.
This shows that Jesus raised himself and that the sacrifice of Isaac would have been a flawed analogy.
All you do at this point is show your ignorance
You can not or ever will convince a bible student that Jesus was mistaken when he said: " destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up."
Nor will you ever convince a true believer that Jesus created himself.
Plain ignorance of those that you follow.
In fact I called you out to name who you are associated with.
What affiliation are you.
Take that mask off Jr.
What affiliation are you?? ?
Where did the X-chromosome come from to form the complete XY zygote with Mary's ovum?
Psalm1, post: You can not or ever will convince a bible student that Jesus was mistaken when he said: " destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up."
The actual words in Greek :
John 2:19
Ἰησοῦς (iēsous) 2424: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
ἀπεκρίθη (apekrithē) 611: to answer
λύσατε (lusate) 3089: to loose, to release, to dissolve
ναὸν (naon) 3485: a temple
τρισὶν (trisin) 5140: three
ἡμέραις (ēmerais) 2250: day
ἐγερῶ (egerō) 1453: to waken, to raise up
Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah / to answer / to loose, to release, to dissolve / a temple / three / to waken, to raise up .
What is missing is the spurious "I will', that the translators added, that your ignorant premise of false belief is based on.
***Nor will you ever convince a true believer that Jesus created himself.
Never posted such a thing, That is what your twisted beliefs will bring you too, as you tantrum childishly
***Plain ignorance of those that you follow.
I follow the Faith in Spiritual Truth, to which you blasphemy what you can not discern in Spirit, very carnal-typical.
***In fact I called you out to name who you are associated with.
You are not be able to discern in Spirit, but I will answer again, Faith in Spiritual Truths - What Jesus commands :
John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
***What affiliation are you.
Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths
***Take that mask off Jr.
If you knew, who is sending you messages through me(instrument of Faith) , You would not be so vile, you have chosen to reject and that is your choice
***What affiliation are you?? ?
Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths. You should know, people who asks for affiliations are just looking for signs.
and well this is what Jesus stated :
Matthew 12:39
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
witness...
John 2:18-22
On account of this, the Jews demanded, “What sign can You show us to prove Your authority to do these things?” / Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” / “This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” ...
Luke 11:29-30
As the crowds were increasing, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. / For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so the Son of Man will be a sign to this generation.
Mark 8:12
Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit and said, “Why does this generation demand a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
1 Corinthians 1:22-24
Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, / but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, / but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Then He left them and went away.
I too must leave your carnal ignorance and be on my way.
The actual words in Greek :
John 2:19
Ἰησοῦς (iēsous) 2424: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
ἀπεκρίθη (apekrithē) 611: to answer
λύσατε (lusate) 3089: to loose, to release, to dissolve
ναὸν (naon) 3485: a temple
τρισὶν (trisin) 5140: three
ἡμέραις (ēmerais) 2250: day
ἐγερῶ (egerō) 1453: to waken, to raise up
Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah / to answer / to loose, to release, to dissolve / a temple / three / to waken, to raise up .
What is missing is the spurious "I will', that the translators added, that your ignorant premise of false belief is based on.
***Nor will you ever convince a true believer that Jesus created himself.
Never posted such a thing, That is what your twisted beliefs will bring you too, as you tantrum childishly
***Plain ignorance of those that you follow.
I follow the Faith in Spiritual Truth, to which you blasphemy what you can not discern in Spirit, very carnal-typical.
***In fact I called you out to name who you are associated with.
You are not be able to discern in Spirit, but I will answer again, Faith in Spiritual Truths - What Jesus commands :
John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
***What affiliation are you.
Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths
***Take that mask off Jr.
If you knew, who is sending you messages through me(instrument of Faith) , You would not be so vile, you have chosen to reject and that is your choice
***What affiliation are you?? ?
Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths. You should know, people who asks for affiliations are just looking for signs.
and well this is what Jesus stated :
Matthew 12:39
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
witness...
John 2:18-22
On account of this, the Jews demanded, “What sign can You show us to prove Your authority to do these things?” / Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” / “This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” ...
Luke 11:29-30
As the crowds were increasing, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. / For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so the Son of Man will be a sign to this generation.
Mark 8:12
Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit and said, “Why does this generation demand a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
1 Corinthians 1:22-24
Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, / but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, / but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Then He left them and went away.
I too must leave your carnal ignorance and be on my way.
The key concept is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. God's Holy Spirit is referred to as "the angel of His presence" in Isaiah 63: 9-10. In otherwords, where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. Those that are agents of God are indwelled with His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit acts like a portal through which the Father can enter the being indwelled in order for Him to inform, speak through, direct, and empower to perform His will. Jesus is fully God because he is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father which means that the Father resides in Jesus's being, and Jesus obeys the Father and speaks His words. John 16: 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth. for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 14: 23-25 Jesus answered, and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings; and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's, who sent me. John 16: 32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me (and in him). John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Jesus left us with two commandments: Love God first and love everyone else as one loves himself. John 14: 16-18 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Even (that is) the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you. Jesus was the comforter while on earth. When he left to go sit at the right hand of the Father, he was given a spiritual, glorified (filled with the Holy Spirit) body made up of the souls who get chosen by the Father through the granting of repentance, are baptized in the name of the Son through belief in his death and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins through preaching (not water), and are perfected when those chosen by the Father are baptized by the Son to receive the Holy Spirit ( a portal through which both Father and Son can enter the being indwelled). They then fill the being indwelled with love and change the motivation for living from love of self first to love of God first and all others as one loves himself. Notice that Jesus was leaving to go to the Father, but was going to come back to them. He does this when someone gets indwelled with the Holy Spirit (portal) which allows the Son (who is filled with the Father) to enter that person's being.
My question to youPsalm1, post: You can not or ever will convince a bible student that Jesus was mistaken when he said: " destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up."
The actual words in Greek :
John 2:19
Ἰησοῦς (iēsous) 2424: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
ἀπεκρίθη (apekrithē) 611: to answer
λύσατε (lusate) 3089: to loose, to release, to dissolve
ναὸν (naon) 3485: a temple
τρισὶν (trisin) 5140: three
ἡμέραις (ēmerais) 2250: day
ἐγερῶ (egerō) 1453: to waken, to raise up
Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah / to answer / to loose, to release, to dissolve / a temple / three / to waken, to raise up .
What is missing is the spurious "I will', that the translators added, that your ignorant premise of false belief is based on.
***Nor will you ever convince a true believer that Jesus created himself.
Never posted such a thing, That is what your twisted beliefs will bring you too, as you tantrum childishly
***Plain ignorance of those that you follow.
I follow the Faith in Spiritual Truth, to which you blasphemy what you can not discern in Spirit, very carnal-typical.
***In fact I called you out to name who you are associated with.
You are not be able to discern in Spirit, but I will answer again, Faith in Spiritual Truths - What Jesus commands :
John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
***What affiliation are you.
Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths
***Take that mask off Jr.
If you knew, who is sending you messages through me(instrument of Faith) , You would not be so vile, you have chosen to reject and that is your choice
***What affiliation are you?? ?
Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths. You should know, people who asks for affiliations are just looking for signs.
and well this is what Jesus stated :
Matthew 12:39
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
witness...
John 2:18-22
On account of this, the Jews demanded, “What sign can You show us to prove Your authority to do these things?” / Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” / “This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” ...
Luke 11:29-30
As the crowds were increasing, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. / For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so the Son of Man will be a sign to this generation.
Mark 8:12
Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit and said, “Why does this generation demand a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
1 Corinthians 1:22-24
Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, / but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, / but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Then He left them and went away.
I too must leave your carnal ignorance and be on my way.
"What affiliation are you?? ?"
Your dodge
"Not of this world of yours(flesh). Faith in Spiritual Truths. You should know, people who asks for affiliations are just looking for signs.
and well this is what Jesus stated"
Hiding is never of God.
Revealing who you are is harmful to that Christian cloak huh?
Nobody here believes your cunning denial of Jesus is from some maverick lone greatness that you want everyone to believe that you and God alone have privately procured.
Again, stop hiding and provide a link to WHO YOU ARE AFFILIATED with.
Some link to some others that also believe Jesus is not God.
Yes yes we can all see your juvenile attempts to attack the brethren with wild nonapplicable verses about false prophets or what ever spells you try to cast on the body of Christ by reckless slinging of character behavior verses.
I am not interested in how you see my character.
Attacking character is your way of deflection.
You're all offended at being called out.
Hiding is very telling that you are in fact AFFILIATED with a shady group.
Oh wow.
When did you attain deity?
You can now resurrect yourself?
It is bothersome to you that Jesus said He Himself would raise himself from the dead?
That is doom to you?
How does a brown cow eat green grass and produce white milk?
You think you have the answer to HOW Jesus was "chemically incarnated"?
( or whatever mental dynamics you are applying)
Every verse that is presented indicating a doctrine against the deity of Jesus is 100% embraced by the deity of Jesus doctrine and dynamic.
None of them erase the fact that Jesus is testified to be deity.