One Big Opt Out?

[PAC-fit]

Miracles? Not interested in turning away from faith here, politely go start your own thread, I’ll pray God’s truth interrupts it. The subject, read by how many millions, remains unfiltered to me and all looking to further secure His will on this, the Lord Jesus gave the flock a very strong invite to feast on faith:

“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” (Matthew 17:20)

Sorry, did I mishandle the title? Or, am I speaking on behalf of some grotesque element that has slipped into the rank and file sub-conscience to justify vigilance elswhere? Why else? Considering the climate of dialog, the texts probability of those who may attain to the feast as “few” or more as the Apostle put it “one receives the prize.

In other words, we sit 2K-year hence from the day He invited the hear to feast, did we unknowingly choose the famine, did we opt out of the spirit of His words? But, what happened since He gave the promise,

“I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Even though the wolves did “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.” (Acts 20:29)

Are we living a sound view of V20, or a famine of faith?

 

[Magenta]

“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘
Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” (Matthew 17:20)

Jesus' words in Matthew 17:20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief .

 

[Blain]

There does seem to be a lack og real miracles these days honestly I wish my eyes could be healed already but he said one day to grasp my miracle I suppose I just don't have the faith to do that yet

 

[lrs68]

There does seem to be a lack og real miracles these days honestly I wish my eyes could be healed already but he said one day to grasp my miracle I suppose I just don't have the faith to do that yet

I know a person that was false arrested and when his attorney discovered it the police tried to cover it up with another type of infraction. They even claimed he had old warrants that due to reviving now were more costly in price than when they were supposedly first issued.

This person was set for trial within the first couple days but the jail didn't release him and claimed he was too sick so his case was rescheduled 3 weeks later.

During those weeks this person asked for a Bible and was refused and told God doesn't exist and proof is that he would never be released. But this person knew he was innocent and continued praying and remembering Scripture and being faithful to God.

Long story short...

A man had a dream and dreamed about this situation including the real name of the person. He was a tithe payer and God blessed him extremely well plus he had a lot of say within the community.

He went to the jail and asked about the person and asked why was he being held when his arrest was not valid. He was told the person owed $200,000.00 worth of past warrants. This man left and returned with the exact amount required. He was then told the person had a court date in a couple days so could not be released until then. This man made it clear he would attend.

On the morning of the court date the judge that was scheduled had a health issue. But a FEDERAL judge would oversee the cases for that day. The people running the jail weren't aware and led the person to court thinking the judge would side with them and they would keep him longer.

When the FEDERAL judge took his place there was his good friend (the one who had a dream from God) and chatted with him. Finally, the person in jail was time to be before the judge. The judge just did the talking. He said, it's come to my understanding that this person was falsely arrested, had made up warrant charges, not allowed to read the Bible, treated badly, and a few other things. He said, this will all be exponged and never be on your record, he would send federal agents to remove you from the jail, and suggested the person to leave the state because he would deal with the jail and what they did later.

The person was escorted out, given police escort to the state they were relocating to, he was warrant free, and began a new life.

That happened last November.

God is still in the MIRACLE BUSINESS!

 

[maxwel]

Miracles? Not interested in turning away from faith here, politely go start your own thread, I’ll pray God’s truth interrupts it. The subject, read by how many millions, remains unfiltered to me and all looking to further secure His will on this, the Lord Jesus gave the flock a very strong invite to feast on faith:

“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” (Matthew 17:20)

Sorry, did I mishandle the title? Or, am I speaking on behalf of some grotesque element that has slipped into the rank and file sub-conscience to justify vigilance elswhere? Why else? Considering the climate of dialog, the texts probability of those who may attain to the feast as “few” or more as the Apostle put it “one receives the prize.

In other words, we sit 2K-year hence from the day He invited the hear to feast, did we unknowingly choose the famine, did we opt out of the spirit of His words? But, what happened since He gave the promise,

“I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Even though the wolves did “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.” (Acts 20:29)

Are we living a sound view of V20, or a famine of faith?

I honestly don't understand this post, or your main point.

Can you please restate your main point, in a brief simple sentence?

Thanks.

.

 

[PAC-fit]

I honestly don't understand this post, or your main point.

Can you please restate your main point, in a brief simple sentence?

Thanks.

.

Sure and thanks! Primarily, have we turned away from the Lord's invitation?

Paul's statement of ''love'' in 1Cor 13 it appears is reason enough for many to assume the mindset of forgetting about the miraculous to the point of shaming folk that have the audacity to believe.

 

[Eli1]

Sure and thanks! Primarily, have we turned away from the Lord's invitation?

Paul's statement of ''love'' in 1Cor 13 it appears is reason enough for many to assume the mindset of forgetting about the miraculous to the point of shaming folk that have the audacity to believe.

Having the audacity to believe in miracles or in God?
Also, to add to what Maxwell said, i also think that you would be understood a lot better if you made your point more clear because i didn't understand your OP either.

Thanks brother and God bless.

 

[maxwel]

Sure and thanks! Primarily, have we turned away from the Lord's invitation?

Paul's statement of ''love'' in 1Cor 13 it appears is reason enough for many to assume the mindset of forgetting about the miraculous to the point of shaming folk that have the audacity to believe.

1. What exactly do you mean by "the Lord's invitation"?
2. Who is "we"?

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[awelight]

I know a person that was false arrested and when his attorney discovered it the police tried to cover it up with another type of infraction. They even claimed he had old warrants that due to reviving now were more costly in price than when they were supposedly first issued.

This person was set for trial within the first couple days but the jail didn't release him and claimed he was too sick so his case was rescheduled 3 weeks later.

During those weeks this person asked for a Bible and was refused and told God doesn't exist and proof is that he would never be released. But this person knew he was innocent and continued praying and remembering Scripture and being faithful to God.

Long story short...

A man had a dream and dreamed about this situation including the real name of the person. He was a tithe payer and God blessed him extremely well plus he had a lot of say within the community.

He went to the jail and asked about the person and asked why was he being held when his arrest was not valid. He was told the person owed $200,000.00 worth of past warrants. This man left and returned with the exact amount required. He was then told the person had a court date in a couple days so could not be released until then. This man made it clear he would attend.

On the morning of the court date the judge that was scheduled had a health issue. But a FEDERAL judge would oversee the cases for that day. The people running the jail weren't aware and led the person to court thinking the judge would side with them and they would keep him longer.

When the FEDERAL judge took his place there was his good friend (the one who had a dream from God) and chatted with him. Finally, the person in jail was time to be before the judge. The judge just did the talking. He said, it's come to my understanding that this person was falsely arrested, had made up warrant charges, not allowed to read the Bible, treated badly, and a few other things. He said, this will all be exponged and never be on your record, he would send federal agents to remove you from the jail, and suggested the person to leave the state because he would deal with the jail and what they did later.

The person was escorted out, given police escort to the state they were relocating to, he was warrant free, and began a new life.

That happened last November.

God is still in the MIRACLE BUSINESS!

The fact that this person may have found a form of justice, with another judge, does not - in any way - constitute a miracle, as defined in the Bible. Biblical miracles are "supernatural" and difficult or impossible to explain. Nevertheless, they did take place.

 

[lrs68]

The fact that this person may have found a form of justice, with another judge, does not - in any way - constitute a miracle, as defined in the Bible. Biblical miracles are "supernatural" and difficult or impossible to explain. Nevertheless, they did take place.

I suppose a man who didn't know the person in jail having a dream with the exact name and paying the 200k isn't a miracle.

So glad you are no one who God put into a place of judgement.

 

[awelight]

Miracles? Not interested in turning away from faith here, politely go start your own thread, I’ll pray God’s truth interrupts it. The subject, read by how many millions, remains unfiltered to me and all looking to further secure His will on this, the Lord Jesus gave the flock a very strong invite to feast on faith:

“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” (Matthew 17:20)

Sorry, did I mishandle the title? Or, am I speaking on behalf of some grotesque element that has slipped into the rank and file sub-conscience to justify vigilance elswhere? Why else? Considering the climate of dialog, the texts probability of those who may attain to the feast as “few” or more as the Apostle put it “one receives the prize.

In other words, we sit 2K-year hence from the day He invited the hear to feast, did we unknowingly choose the famine, did we opt out of the spirit of His words? But, what happened since He gave the promise,

“I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Even though the wolves did “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.” (Acts 20:29)

Are we living a sound view of V20, or a famine of faith?

I am assuming here, that you are combining "Faith" with "Miracles". If one is exercising proper faith, they can do miracles.

Were miracles done in the days of Christ and by the Apostles. YES!!! Are they being done now? NO!!!

Remember that Matthew 17:20, was both a rebuke and a learning lesson. The idea, the Lord was expressing, is that one through faith can accomplish great things for the glory of God. ALL Biblical miracles, were for the express purpose, of glorifying God. Jesus was not speaking literally here but comparatively. No person ever physically moved mountains but some of the miracles were just as astonishing. Some miracles physically and mentally benefitted the recipient but all caused God to be glorified.

The system of Faith is God's and God's alone. Faith (In the believer), is born of God. Faith grows in Sanctification. Faith ends in the presence of the Lord and the believers glorification.

Miracles, are not a test of one's faith in Christ. Miracles - present or absent - are not a test of the condition of the Faith. Miracles have their appointed times and places. These times and places are established by God, for His own purposes. Miracles were never for the sole benefit of the miracle worker.

 

[awelight]

I suppose a man who didn't know the person in jail having a dream with the exact name and paying the 200k isn't a miracle.

So glad you are no one who God put into a place of judgement.

I'm not buying the dream part of your story. I would need a lot more proof on that claim.

As far as the 200,000. goes... what about the Good Samaritan that Jesus Christ talked about? He paid for a man to be housed and doctored but he didn't know him. That's not a miracle. That's doing the right thing.

 

[lrs68]

I'm not buying the dream part of your story. I would need a lot more proof on that claim.

As far as the 200,000. goes... what about the Good Samaritan that Jesus Christ talked about? He paid for a man to be housed and doctored but he didn't know him. That's not a miracle. That's doing the right thing.

It's a miracle to the man who has no money and would otherwise be stuck in jail until it was either paid or time served.

And I believe you are the type of person one could beat you with a bat until death and still reject the truth.

 

[awelight]

It's a miracle to the man who has no money and would otherwise be stuck in jail until it was either paid or time served.

And I believe you are the type of person one could beat you with a bat until death and still reject the truth.

So, you yourself have described the type of miracle it was. To the man it might had seemed as a miracle. I will grant you that because humanity throws the word miracle around all the time. However, it is not a "Miracle" as defined by the Bible and that was my point.

As for the bat... I never played baseball. But as to the truth.. I always believe what God hath said. Men on the other hand... not so much. One is objective, the other subjective. As for me, I will stick to the objective Truth of God as revealed in Scripture.

Any so-called subjective truth of man, that does not hold up to the Objective Truth of Scripture, is rejected, no matter how real the experience may seem.

 

[lrs68]

So, you yourself have described the type of miracle it was. To the man it might had seemed as a miracle. I will grant you that because humanity throws the word miracle around all the time. However, it is not a "Miracle" as defined by the Bible and that was my point.

As for the bat... I never played baseball. But as to the truth.. I always believe what God hath said. Men on the other hand... not so much. One is objective, the other subjective. As for me, I will stick to the objective Truth of God as revealed in Scripture.

Any so-called subjective truth of man, that does not hold up to the Objective Truth of Scripture, is rejected, no matter how real the experience may seem.

Many of the Miracles in the Bible can be explained by Science but we know they were miracles from the viewpoints of those receiving the miracles. I am amazed how nearsighted people who claim to be of faith can be.

 

[awelight]

Many of the Miracles in the Bible can be explained by Science but we know they were miracles from the viewpoints of those receiving the miracles. I am amazed how nearsighted people who claim to be of faith can be.

Now I mean no disrespect here but I fear for you. This reply, above, truly worries me. Come away, my friend, from any notion that the Bible and man's science can live together. Man has been given great abilities by God. Our science, (The exercise of what God has enabled our minds to do), has done a great number of marvelous things but I beseech you, never allow science into your understanding of what God has revealed in His Holy Word. If you do, I fear you will be drawn away by the pollution it will cause to God's pure Word.

One of the great enemy of God's people, is "science". Science does not prove the accuracy of the Bible but rather the Bible proves the accuracy of science. As an example, do you believe the earth is millions of years old because geologist say it is so? Do you know how Geology has come up with these numbers? Therefore, whom do you trust? God or science?

Divorce your mind from science and man's foolish explanations and believe God only. Rom 3:4 .. yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your words, And might prevail when you come into judgment.

Only in this way, can you find the peace and joy of Christ.

I must go for now. Take care my friend.

 

[glf]

Mt 16: 24:
Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
Jn 14: 12-14:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Is Jesus still with the Father?
Mk 11: 24:
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Jm 1: 6-7:
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jm 4: 2-3:
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
1 Jn 3: 19-22:
And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1 Jn 5: 14-15:
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Lu 18: 1-8:
And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith. And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Acts 6: 1-4:
And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
If you refuse to believe this much of scripture, how can you believe any of it? If all these verses are not for today, then is anything Jesus said for today?
Faith is a fruit of the Spirit and like the other fruits of the Spirit, must be grown over time by obedience to the Spirit!
1 Cor 4: 20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
Heb 11: 6:
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
2 Cor 2: 20:
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
Does any here seek the Lord as diligently as Peter who gave himself constantly to prayer and the ministry of the word? Whose shadow would heal.
Is the Lord a respecter of persons or not? Is the word of God true or not? Did not Jesus come to both fulfil the first testament and also to inaugurate the New Testament? How could his words not apply to both?
Gal 3: 2-5:
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Did Jesus mean it when he asked, "when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"
There will be no miracles if we don't believe!
The Lord increase our faith that we might be pleasing to him, in Jesus' name and unto the glory of God!

 

[lrs68]

Now I mean no disrespect here but I fear for you. This reply, above, truly worries me. Come away, my friend, from any notion that the Bible and man's science can live together. Man has been given great abilities by God. Our science, (The exercise of what God has enabled our minds to do), has done a great number of marvelous things but I beseech you, never allow science into your understanding of what God has revealed in His Holy Word. If you do, I fear you will be drawn away by the pollution it will cause to God's pure Word.

One of the great enemy of God's people, is "science". Science does not prove the accuracy of the Bible but rather the Bible proves the accuracy of science. As an example, do you believe the earth is millions of years old because geologist say it is so? Do you know how Geology has come up with these numbers? Therefore, whom do you trust? God or science?

Divorce your mind from science and man's foolish explanations and believe God only. Rom 3:4 .. yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your words, And might prevail when you come into judgment.

Only in this way, can you find the peace and joy of Christ.

I must go for now. Take care my friend.

Science in itself is innocent but in the wrong hands can be evil.

Science and Mathematics is why you have toothpaste, orthopedics, household items, vehicles, airplanes, mobile devices, simple health care, and much more that helps our daily life be simpler than it could be.

Science and Mathematics is essential for manufacturing, processing, oil/fracking, aerospace, defense, and other jobs.

Science and Mathematics in discovery, architect, exploration, research and development is very keen to learning about the past and finding new ways to improve towards the future.

And in many applications, Science and Mathematics can explain a tremendous amount of things.

Your answer speaks loud and clear about the lack of knowledge you have towards the things you use every day and would think they make your life easier and don't want to live without.

From being clean, having a million dollar smile, to a simple splash of cologne to your watch on your wrist and clothing to the essentials within your home and to the means of travel from point A to B... Science and Mathematics are more important to your life than you have the ability to comprehend.

God told Job about Him stretching a line (measuring tape/plumb line) across the Universe. When God spoke the stars into existence and they were displayed precisely where God's blueprint had them arrayed at. When God gave measurements for the Ark, Ark of the Covenant, Temple/Holy of Hollies/Outer (Gentile) Court, New Jerusalem, and much more.
That is the best definition for Science and Mathematics.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Miracles? Not interested in turning away from faith here, politely go start your own thread, I’ll pray God’s truth interrupts it. The subject, read by how many millions, remains unfiltered to me and all looking to further secure His will on this, the Lord Jesus gave the flock a very strong invite to feast on faith:

“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” (Matthew 17:20)

Sorry, did I mishandle the title? Or, am I speaking on behalf of some grotesque element that has slipped into the rank and file sub-conscience to justify vigilance elswhere? Why else? Considering the climate of dialog, the texts probability of those who may attain to the feast as “few” or more as the Apostle put it “one receives the prize.

In other words, we sit 2K-year hence from the day He invited the hear to feast, did we unknowingly choose the famine, did we opt out of the spirit of His words? But, what happened since He gave the promise,

“I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Even though the wolves did “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.” (Acts 20:29)

Are we living a sound view of V20, or a famine of faith?

We have settled because we fear to step out on faith. Anyone who even wishes to pray for healing or a miracle is told right away about 20 people who died or didn't get their miracle. So don't even bother trying. Your faith is shot down before it has taken wing. As I am sure this thread will prove.

 

[PAC-fit]

Your faith is shot down before it has taken wing.

Who's faith? If any initiative exist out there apart from the Author of our faith, then yes, it will be shot down.