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We have read it many times, Luke 8:52-56 ", , everyone was weeping and mourning for her. But Jesus said, “Stop weeping; she is not dead but asleep.” 53And they laughed at Him, knowing that she was dead. 54But Jesus took her by the hand and called out, “Child, get up!” 55Her spirit returned, and at once she got up. And He directed that she be given something to eat. 56Her parents were astounded, but Jesus ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened."
Aside from Jesus not expressing His compassion "upon all who were sick and oppressed of the Devil", in the close of Matt-13 due to their unbelief, that little footnote the Spirit made available is a telling feature of the type of faith He was referring to in the OP quote.
Aside from Jesus not expressing His compassion "upon all who were sick and oppressed of the Devil", in the close of Matt-13 due to their unbelief, that little footnote the Spirit made available is a telling feature of the type of faith He was referring to in the OP quote.
Ah, an important distinction to be made over that, as you later observe,
No, not a test, but a sign or signification of authentic belief even though "quiet and peaceable" belief is seen to cohabitate.
"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
-Mk 16:17,18
Yet the Apostles aged and saw bodily corruption after healing others. Was it a signifying too high? For He "resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” Of course not, The Lord would not have opened the possibility up. But, I do like the way the Apostle brings us back down to earth, "be not highminded, but fear" So, the signs correctly "follow" (accompany) V17.
"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
-Mk 16:17,18
Yet the Apostles aged and saw bodily corruption after healing others. Was it a signifying too high? For He "resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” Of course not, The Lord would not have opened the possibility up. But, I do like the way the Apostle brings us back down to earth, "be not highminded, but fear" So, the signs correctly "follow" (accompany) V17.
Continued Misunderstanding:
1.) I didn't ask if it "stands", I asked what it "means."
2.) I didn't ask about the singular word "invitation", I asked about the phrase "the Lord's invitation."
3.) Therefore, to reiterate: when YOU say, "the Lords's invitation", what exactly do YOU mean by that phrase?
Thanks.
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1.) I didn't ask if it "stands", I asked what it "means."
2.) I didn't ask about the singular word "invitation", I asked about the phrase "the Lord's invitation."
3.) Therefore, to reiterate: when YOU say, "the Lords's invitation", what exactly do YOU mean by that phrase?
Thanks.
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I'm not trying to be unkind, I'm just trying to understand your opening post... because I still do not.
If we say things that are unclear to our listeners, it's a good exercise to practice rephrasing things, and clarifying things, so all can understand. In writing and public speaking, the practice of clarifying things is a good exercise, and it just makes us better writers and speakers.
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I'm not trying to be unkind, I'm just trying to understand your opening post... because I still do not.
If we say things that are unclear to our listeners, it's a good exercise to practice rephrasing things, and clarifying things, so all can understand. In writing and public speaking, the practice of clarifying things is a good exercise, and it just makes us better writers and speakers.
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Only a simple definition is required - define the phrase "the Lord's invitation":
1.) In post #5 I asked you to explain your Opening Post.
2.) In post #6 you responded, and part of your response used the phrase, "the Lord's invitation."
3.) I asked you to please define that phrase, "the Lord's invitation", but you responded with no definition.
3.) I have now asked you THREE DIFFERENT TIMES, to define that phrase, "the Lord's invitation"... and you still have given no definition.
4.) I will ask you now for the 4th time, can you please define, just simply define, the phrase "the Lord's invitation."
Thank you.
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Hi PAC-fit, I am glad you are here on CC and as far so I know I generally agree with you. But I have a hard time figuring out what you are saying because your writing style is as if Yoda had a baby with Shakespear which was wet-nursed by Patrick Henry.
It's not "bad" or "wrong" per se, just takes multiple readings and even then I'm still not entirely sure what you are trying to convey. Do you have anyone who could proofread for you and give you some pointers? Or maybe work on starting your OP with a clear one-sentence "thesis" that sums up your main point before you start extrapolating? 🤔
Just thoughts! I appreciate your input on the forums and I don't want to misunderstand you 😎.
It's not "bad" or "wrong" per se, just takes multiple readings and even then I'm still not entirely sure what you are trying to convey. Do you have anyone who could proofread for you and give you some pointers? Or maybe work on starting your OP with a clear one-sentence "thesis" that sums up your main point before you start extrapolating? 🤔
Just thoughts! I appreciate your input on the forums and I don't want to misunderstand you 😎.
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Of course, no problem, I have a long history of such response, but my columnist-wife has help salvage this english teacher's son non-academic past.
I do remain a bit mystified how this one has eluded the reader (your background becoming frt-and-center, so thank you so much.
Post defined: Has the Church (the Body of Christ) experienced a cooling off from the Lord's spoken anticipation OR expectation of the miraculous?
I do remain a bit mystified how this one has eluded the reader (your background becoming frt-and-center, so thank you so much.
Post defined: Has the Church (the Body of Christ) experienced a cooling off from the Lord's spoken anticipation OR expectation of the miraculous?
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OK now we're getting somewhere! That's what I thought you meant but I wasnt sure. 😎
In my opinion the church in America is definitely experiencing that. Maybe because most of the high-profile "charismatic" "preachers" have run headlong after the prosperity gospel, which makes them appear more like shysters than shepherds (with good reason!). But that leaves the flock thinking that all manifestations of the Spirit today are fake.
My experiences with third-world believers are different though. They not only belive in the miraculous, they seem to expect it. Not all of them of course, but it's definitely more of a mindset for them.
I know Jesus said we shouldn't seek signs and wonders in order to believe, but they are still a part of kingdom living and its pretty cool when they happen.... even if it's something small, it's still part of our daily "faith bread".
In my opinion the church in America is definitely experiencing that. Maybe because most of the high-profile "charismatic" "preachers" have run headlong after the prosperity gospel, which makes them appear more like shysters than shepherds (with good reason!). But that leaves the flock thinking that all manifestations of the Spirit today are fake.
My experiences with third-world believers are different though. They not only belive in the miraculous, they seem to expect it. Not all of them of course, but it's definitely more of a mindset for them.
I know Jesus said we shouldn't seek signs and wonders in order to believe, but they are still a part of kingdom living and its pretty cool when they happen.... even if it's something small, it's still part of our daily "faith bread".
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Still, there is a fair amount of hissing from the non-Pentecostal affiliated out there, laymen or cleric. Too bad the one they consider to be the father of the prosperity message big call out to the others who indeed were abusing their flocks, ended up well under-reported.
Motives for Giving
Motives for Giving
You say you need a definition for what I thought was wrought in simplicity. Let's take another look at the OP, ,
''the Lord Jesus gave the flock a very strong invite to feast on faith:
“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’'
Now, you are right, this is not something difficult. Simple is as the Lord himself defined it. Otherwise, we commit the proverbial 'strain at a gnat, swallow a camel'. I am content, trust you are. Thank you.
''the Lord Jesus gave the flock a very strong invite to feast on faith:
“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’'
Now, you are right, this is not something difficult. Simple is as the Lord himself defined it. Otherwise, we commit the proverbial 'strain at a gnat, swallow a camel'. I am content, trust you are. Thank you.