Once Saved Always Saved is True.
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Sidestepped? In what way? The verse speaks for itself--it is obvious Paul is speaking to believers, since he says WE:
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,"--Hebrews 10:26
Tell that to Ravi Zacharias' family. And Andy Savage. And Billy Graham. And Ted Haggard. And Joshua Harris. And Bill Hybels. And Tullian Tchividjian, and so many more.
Paul the first to be saved?
You're kidding right? All of the apostles, all of women named in the bible who followed and served Christ, all of the other unnammed apostles--70 were sent out by Jesus himself, all of His disciples who didn't turn away. Thousands were saved who remain unnamed before Christ died. And many were saved in the Old Testament by looking ahead to the future Messiah who was to come. https://faithalone.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/bryant.pdf
OSAS is true if a person allows the Spirit to lead them.
But the Bible says that some that were enlightened by the truth went back to doing worldly things like a sow that is clean goes back to wallowing in the mud.
But OSAS is not true that God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice.
If that is the case then we are robots that do not make a choice our self.
That would mean God's kingdom is not true love but robotic love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice but to reject the truth.
What would God base His decision on when all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and He is no respecter of persons, and there is none that does good, no, not one, and all sin is unrighteousness, and if you broke the least of the law you broke all the law.
You can program your computer to say I love you but does your computer actually love you, and you can program your computer to say I hate you and will you get mad at it and smash it.
When the Bible says the saints are predestined to salvation, and have salvation before the world began means that God already had the plan to give salvation to the people before He started creation but this salvation is to whoever wants this salvation.
Which the Bible says that the Spirit and the bride say Come, and whosoever will can have salvation.
The Bible speaks that someone that has been saved can lose salvation is they do not continue in the goodness of God.
Which some do not continue in the goodness of God but go back to doing things of the world like a sow that is clean goes back to the wallowing in the mud.
The Lord knows them that are His having this seal for this is what seals them that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Which not everyone that says Lord Lord will be able to enter heaven for they were workers of iniquity.
And Paul said awake to righteousness, and sin not, which some have not the knowledge of God: and he speaks this to their shame.
But the Bible says that some that were enlightened by the truth went back to doing worldly things like a sow that is clean goes back to wallowing in the mud.
But OSAS is not true that God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice.
If that is the case then we are robots that do not make a choice our self.
That would mean God's kingdom is not true love but robotic love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice but to reject the truth.
What would God base His decision on when all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and He is no respecter of persons, and there is none that does good, no, not one, and all sin is unrighteousness, and if you broke the least of the law you broke all the law.
You can program your computer to say I love you but does your computer actually love you, and you can program your computer to say I hate you and will you get mad at it and smash it.
When the Bible says the saints are predestined to salvation, and have salvation before the world began means that God already had the plan to give salvation to the people before He started creation but this salvation is to whoever wants this salvation.
Which the Bible says that the Spirit and the bride say Come, and whosoever will can have salvation.
The Bible speaks that someone that has been saved can lose salvation is they do not continue in the goodness of God.
Which some do not continue in the goodness of God but go back to doing things of the world like a sow that is clean goes back to the wallowing in the mud.
The Lord knows them that are His having this seal for this is what seals them that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Which not everyone that says Lord Lord will be able to enter heaven for they were workers of iniquity.
And Paul said awake to righteousness, and sin not, which some have not the knowledge of God: and he speaks this to their shame.
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Eternal life is eternal life
God said we have it Not might have it
If salvation can be lost. It must be earned
If it can be earned. It is not of Grace
God subjects the offer of salvation to the unsaved man's free will.
God does not subject the ability to loose salvation to the saved man's free will.
The will is equally free in both cases.
Paul was not the first sinner to be saved for at the day of Pentecost the 120 people were saved and many more people than that which the Lord added to the Church daily such as should be saved and this is before the Damascus Road experience with Paul.
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The saints are like a building were the bricks are built upon each other in order of their being saved which Jesus is the chief corner stone for He is the head of the Church the first person added to the Church.
Jesus said that upon Peter He shall build His Church which means Peter is the first person saved other than Christ and built upon Jesus.
Peter is built upon Christ and Paul was built upon the Church until later.
There were many people saved before Paul was saved.
How could Paul be saved before the 12 disciples.
Then who are the people that have been enlightened to the truth but fell away.
Who are the people that say Lord Lord and labored for the kingdom but cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
Who are the people that were saved but were cut off because they did not continue in the goodness of God.
Salvation cannot be lost if one is led of the Spirit and a Spirit led life will not sin.
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He does nto understand
A man who has been saved and experienced Gods true love, would NEVER of his own free will go back to what he was rescued from
The only think I can surmise if they have never experienced Gods true love maybe? And because if it they can not understand?
I do not know
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How can Once Saved, Always Saved be a way of life--it is a doctrine, plain and simple--any apologist on either side of the argument will state that.
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Nope. Not really
God does not give salvation KNOWING a person will walk away aNd become a antichrist (non believer)
In fact. John said they were never of us, if they were of us they never would have left. They left to prove that none of them were of us
Many come to church for years. And act like believers, But they never took that step of true faith. And in the end, a dog returns to his vomit. And a jew returns to being a jew (religious person)
If you think your going to get to heaven=n because you do not sin, You in for a rude awakening. Because you will be one of those who say lord lord did I not doo.
We might sin after we are saved but all sin can be forgiven.
And I did not say I did not sin after I was saved and I might sin again but not meaning it as of now but all sin can be forgiven.
But what about the people that have faith and confess Christ but live in sin that they would not get rid of it.
Are they saved.
If you say that we cannot abstain from sin the Bible says that those that live in sin the sacrifice of Jesus cannot take that sin away.
We might sin after we are saved but all sin can be forgiven.
And I did not say I did not sin after I was saved and I might sin again but not meaning it as of now but all sin can be forgiven.
But what about the people that have faith and confess Christ but live in sin that they would not get rid of it.
Are they saved.
If you say that we cannot abstain from sin the Bible says that those that live in sin the sacrifice of Jesus cannot take that sin away.
The verses you quoted are about false teachers--they don't support OSAS.
"…4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age— 6and then have fallen away—to be restored to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.…--Hebrews 6:4-6
"“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”"---John 15:6
"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."--1st Corinthians 9:27
"My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins."--James 5:19-20
John is speaking about false teachers. As I say always test scripture against scripture-- The verse below are speaking to BELIEVERS and there is no way to interpret any other way than a person can fall away/not abide/turn back to their life of sin--that is WILLFUL and ONGOING.
These are just a few:
"…4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age— 6and then have fallen away—to be restored to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.…--Hebrews 6:4-6
"“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”"---John 15:6
"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."--1st Corinthians 9:27
"My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins."--James 5:19-20
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This states that if it were possible for someone to lose salvation. They could never be renewed to repentance (resaved) they would be lost forever.
This does not say a man loses salvation. Many disciples walked with christ. But when push came to shove they walked away, Because they did not have true faith, John 6 is a perfect ecxample
Paul is not talking about being qualified for salvation. Salvation is a gift, not a wage. It is by grave through faith not work
paul is talking about being disqualified as a teacher of the gospel.
Yep. And many a sinner has died and left this earth because they continued in their sin.
The did not die a death caused by sin.
Dear me. I understand that people have difficulty letting go of their long held beliefs. Jesus says if a man does not abide--that means that he once did and then does not. What is the PRIZE Paul speaks of? There is only one and that the gift of ETERNAL LIFE. Also the last verse says "Dear BROTHERS and SISTERS"--he is speaking to the believers. Abiding is not legalism--those are two different things.
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Yes, It is sad that people will nto let go of long held beliefs
SALVATION IS A GIFT, for it is by GRACE WE HAVE BEEN SAVED.
Not by work of righteousness which we have done but by HIS MERCY HE SAVED US,
If abraham was found by works, he has somethign to boast. But not before God. Abraham BELIEVED and it was ACREDITED to him for righteousness.
A PRIZE IS A REWARD FOR GOOD HARD WORK.
Paul never tried to earn salvation, He undertood he could not. Thats why he STOPPED being a pharisee
When you claim salvation is by works. And not grace. You make paul out to be a liar.