Not By Works

[lrs68]

so how saved would I be?

did he? or did he write to people trying to mix law and grace. works and grace?

Only you know how saved you are.

Paul covered things individually so no reason to bulk them together because this conversation is based only about one issue.

 

[lrs68]

can a person lose salvation because they do not do enough works?

No, just saying those saved in the Bible did Godly works and that hasn't changed and we should be doing similar.

 

[lrs68]

if he did not repent. would he still be saved.

why are you dodging the question?

You said works are required. are they or not?

I didn't say they are required for Salvation. I said if a person is truly saved they will be doing Godly works.

 

[lrs68]

God does not do this.

That is because you don't have the Gift of Discernment.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It's a separation from everyone else. God separates His people from everyone else.

How or when does God do this?

by the way, Moses said they they were required to confirm and obey every letter.

did they do it. have you? I know I have not. thats why I need saved

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Only you know how saved you are.

Paul covered things individually so no reason to bulk them together because this conversation is based only about one issue.

I am saved or not saved, there are not levels of salvation.

I am either justified born again, or I am dead, lost in sin

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, just saying those saved in the Bible did Godly works and that hasn't changed and we should be doing similar.

then why are you boasting in your works?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I didn't say they are required for Salvation. I said if a person is truly saved they will be doing Godly works.

when you use the word required.

it changes the meaning.

If you do not think people must work to stay saved, you should not use the word required.

You should focus on helping them grow. not determine if they are saved or not

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That is because you don't have the Gift of Discernment.

whatever.

there will be many people you think were saved not in heaven, and most likely many you thought where not saved that are in heaven.

I believe we will all see this.

 

[lrs68]

How or when does God do this?

by the way, Moses said they they were required to confirm and obey every letter.

did they do it. have you? I know I have not. thats why I need saved

When the Hebrews were eating Kosher and living how God wanted them were the other people of humanity doing the same type of lifestyle?

No!

 

[lrs68]

I am saved or not saved, there are not levels of salvation.

I am either justified born again, or I am dead, lost in sin

Only you know what you are.

 

[lrs68]

then why are you boasting in your works?

I'm not I am saying we should be like the examples we read about in the Bible.

 

[lrs68]

when you use the word required.

it changes the meaning.

If you do not think people must work to stay saved, you should not use the word required.

You should focus on helping them grow. not determine if they are saved or not

Ok

 

[lrs68]

whatever.

there will be many people you think were saved not in heaven, and most likely many you thought where not saved that are in heaven.

I believe we will all see this.

I agree.

I see we're discussing 2 different things.

 

[Kroogz]

I didn't say they are required for Salvation. I said if a person is truly saved they will be doing Godly works.

By their fruits you will know them. I consider all people on these forums saved.

But I KNOW @Everlasting-Grace is saved. I haven't seen him do squat and I don't know him personally.

But by his doctrine I KNOW.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I agree.

I see we're discussing 2 different things.

I am discussing salvation. James was discussing what a person should do who has no works to test their faith.. is it real

Not telling you and I to be fruit inspectors.

 

[Magenta]

yes, that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by
every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deut 8:3

From Matthew 4 verse 4 Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.

 

[Magenta]

I didn't say they are required for Salvation. I said if a person is truly saved they will be doing Godly works.

Philippians 1 verse 6

 

[GWH]

Sounds to me like denominational requirements clashing.
I believe we are all safe when we are following the Way, the Truth and the Life with no exceptions.

Yes, because following the WT&L is GRFS, whereas DRs are didachaic doctrines downstream of salvation.
A test for kerygmatic simplicity/primacy is whether a child of accountable age can understand such details.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, because following the WT&L is GRFS, whereas DRs are didachaic doctrines downstream of salvation.
A test for kerygmatic simplicity/primacy is whether a child of accountable age can understand such details.

Word salad, pass the dressing, please...