I totally agree, faith does not “earn” salvation either.
Not By Works
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Come on, a formula? It’s just scripture. What could be wrong with saying confession is made unto salvation? Paul said it, not me.
Really?
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. (Rom 4:3)
Precious friend, yes, OBVIOUS, IF you mean under The Gospel Of GRACE? =
Today's MYSTERY Dispensation! And, NOT "mixing IT up" with, but:
Rightly Dividing (2 Timothy 2:15) IT From “Things That DIFFER!”:
How about under the gospel of the kingdom, where "works" are Required to prevent Jews from having a "DEAD faith"? = Yesterday's Dispensation of Prophecy/Law
Precious friend, Yes, Agree, IF you are referring To God's {Spiritual} Sanctification in
Justification From The PENALTY of sin?:
Rom_15:16 "That I should be the minister of JESUS CHRIST to the Gentiles, ministering
The Gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be Acceptable, Being Sanctified By The Holy Ghost."
1Co_1:2 "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are Sanctified in CHRIST JESUS, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon The Name Of JESUS CHRIST our LORD, both theirs and ours:"
1Co_6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are Sanctified, but ye are Justified in The Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit of our God."
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:
personal sanctification, where we "WORK out OUR OWN salvation {sanctification, overcoming THE POWER of sin}, with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12):
2Ti_2:21 "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for The Master's Use, and prepared unto every good work." = "contributing" by physical/external "works," Correct?
Precious friend, {please forgive the mind-wrenching "study" but}, hmm, let's see:
(1) "believe with the heart" = spiritual = salvation Without physical/external "works"
(2a) "confess with the mouth" = spiritual, IF "confessed {with the INTERNAL spiritual mouth} to God Only" = saved, no?
Rightly Dividing (2 Timothy 2:15) IT From “Things That DIFFER!”:
(2b) "confess with the mouth"? = physical/External "work"? IF "confessed {with the physical mouth} to men" = saved by "works" = Under Previous Dispensation of prophecy/Law, where ALL "were healed!" = yes, saved by "faith PLUS works"
However, Under GRACE, Today = IMPOSSIBLE, IF "NOT saved by WORKS"? Also, the physical work idea would EXCLUDE the "dumb" who CANNOT "confess with the physical mouth"? Then what?:
{Can ALL "be healed" Today, Under GRACE? Grace Word for infirmities}
Thanks for your Prayerful/Careful review!
Lol, salvation is a free gift. A gift cannot be earned…or deserved. We do not get to choose to repay a gift. It would be a insult.
Counted = credited. Lots of translations use “credited”.
Let’s say you did good things, like visiting widows and orphans. In regards to salvation, what would you deserve? Nothing. You deserve to burn forever in hell, because you are a sinner.
But let’s say you got baptized right before you did those good things. NOW what do you deserve?
Nothing. You deserve to burn in hell, because you are a sinner.
Back that up and say you confessed Jesus before men. What would you deserve? Nothing. You “deserve” death, for being a sinner.
So you heard the gospel. What would that “deserve”? Same thing, die and burn.
And if you miraculously, somehow, inexplicably, believed God, without hearing a word of the gospel,( just like Abraham?) What would you deserve?
Same exact thing. Because “nothing” you do will ever merit, or earn, or deserve salvation.
YES, I had a Pacemaker put above my heart, and it was a big success. I thought I was about to Check Out, permanently.
It lowered my Blood Sugars to almost normal. Not sure how, but I will take it, and Praise the Lord for it.
It lowered my weight to 237, from 249.
It brought some of my memory back.
It gave me a much needed energy boost.
Four improvements that I did not expect, PRAISE THE LORD.
Praise the Lord! Last year I was also battling with being underweight my OB have set me weight goal to 50kgs and ever since I turned 18 I was stuck being at 40kgs, but I didnt gave up and focused on it. I asked the Lord for guidance and indeed he gave me more. Truly his work are wonders!
If you think you found a contradiction in the Scriptures, most likely you have found a frequently Misunderstood Verse or verses, or Mis-Translation in one or two of those verses. There are no contradictions in my BIBLE.
Yet the Bible says that Abraham's faith was imputed for righteousness. You can quibble about the words, but justification is by grace through FAITH. Yes salvation is indeed a free gift, but given only to those who obey the Gospel.
Lol. So you believe “faith” deserves to be rewarded with righteousness? That “faith” earned Abraham’s righteousness?
Wow.
Faith is necessary for salvation, but it in no way earns salvation. If it did, we would have a ground to boast, but let no man glory in anything save the cross of Christ.
Salvation is by Grace, through faith. And the only work that earns or merits salvation is the Work that Christ has done.
The imputation of righteousness is the imputation of the Righteousness of Christ. No way that could ever be “earned”. You are correct. It is a free gift.
Context is king...
Therefore, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, so now, not only in my presence but even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who is working in you both to will and to work according to his good purpose.
(Php 2:12-13)
2Ti_2:21 "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for The Master's Use, and prepared unto every good work."
Romans 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
The only thing we have to 'contribute to our sanctification is our sin. Even our confessing of sin is a result of the Spirit's conviction.
Roman's 10:9-10 isn't works, it is a response to conviction on the soul to be eternally saved.
It isn't self effort, which is works.. but letting Jesus do the saving. 'Change of mind, heart'
Is conversing with God under conviction a work?
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.