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EleventhHour said:
How so .....Grace is also God's love is it not?

Jesus was full of Grace?
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Grace is for those who need it, adam did not need grace to sustain him

grace is given to the lost and the saved. Adam was not lost and did not need saved
 
Duskey said:
There is no partiality with God. Romans 1.
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There is no partiality with God because of anything found in man that is independent of God. God takes clay and makes people he loves and those he does not. The nation is Israel is empirical evidence. He favors them above all others nations. God is not partial because of what Israel has done.
 
Duskey said:
What Bible are they reading?
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Every time the bible states "world" it really means "elect" according to that system... here I did a little substitution exercise ...

Let us do a little substitution exercise .... with world meaning elect


Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 2:15

“Love not the elect, neither the things that are in the elect. If any man love the elect, the love of the Father is not in him.”


Or how about this one ..................

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:15

“For all that is in the elect, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the elect.”


Isn't that something???:rolleyes:
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
There is no partiality with God because of anything found in man that is independent of God. God takes clay and makes people he loves and those he does not. The nation is Israel is empirical evidence. He favors them above all others nations. God is not partial because of what Israel has done.
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Remember the clay
god says what happens if he is making something of clay and the clay becomes marred in his hands, is not the potter able to remake the clay from scratch.

he was making a people he loved and they resisted him, so he is starting over, it does not mean he does not love the, that’s why he said in Rome 11 they are beloved for the election but hated concerning the gospel
 
EleventhHour said:
Jesus was full of grace and truth?

Grace is part of God's love... but no matter main thing ... Grace is resistible and we know this to be true.
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He is full of grace and truth, and when Adam sinned, his grace came to the forfront

and yes, grace is resistible again jesus morning the loss of jerusalem proved that
 
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preacher4truth said:
This is rich, lol! Adam didn't need grace, didn't need saved, and wasn't lost. Lol!!!!
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I think it is funny someone things Adam pre fall with no sin needed grace, needed saved and was lost.

i think someone is just trying to instigate again. It’s sad people can be this way and think that’s ok :confused:
 
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Am wondering if Calvin is being misunderstood? I say this for this reason...

now, remember...I don’t follow doctrines of anyone.

www.reasonabletheology.com

limited atonement:

Calvinism is distinctive in that it teaches Jesus’ death on the cross did not merely make salvation possible for those who choose to receive it, but that it made salvation definite for those who have been elected by God. For this reason, many prefer to refer to this doctrine as Definite Atonement, as there is nothing limited about the power or effectiveness of Christ’s atoning sacrifice. His sacrifice is completely sufficient to save sinners, but it is made definiteonly for those who God has chosen.

Remember, Jesus only chose 12 to be disciples.

When Jesus taught eat my flesh, drink my blood to His followers.....many turned away from Him. But, after His resurrection and Pentecost occurred, thousands were born again and Spirit filled.

So we see both those who make a choice, and those that were chosen. There’s something about the Sons of God singing for joy in the OT. For some reason I’m thinking there’s a connection but can’t put my finger on why yet.

Perhaps it would be better to look at writings close?
 
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