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You cannot even prove you can be intimate and commit sexual sins and die on the spot and still be saved.

You have no Scripture to back such malarky.

Why should I believe your nonsense then when you cannot find in the Bible where I can sin, die, and be in Heaven?
 
EleventhHour said:
Also, can you show me a scripture that states grace is "irresistible" ........this is really the crux of your entire system so make a case for it.
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Romans 9:16 ; Philippians 2:12 ; John 6:29 ; Acts 13:48

My turn ... show me a verse where it says you can resist God's call to salvation. (Aside: I rarely get a response)
EleventhHour said:
Can you show me a scripture that states believing in Jesus for salvation... as in yielding to Him is a meritorious work in God's view?
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No, because we are not saved by 'yielding to Him' if by this you mean 'yielding of our own independent free will. There are few verses that support your ideas in this area. The verses that are out there say things like "you must believe to be saved" but they don't say WHY you believe ... so you assume it is because of your ability to choose by 'free will' whereas the bible contradicts you ... Example John 1:12-13 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].
.... If you would be so kind as to exegete these verses for us in lieu of your doctrine of "we chose God and this causes God to chose us".
(Aside: I rarely get a response)
 
biker said:
And that is all good and well, but it still does not take away the fact those who remain and those who CHOOSE to sin still both accepted the Truth into their lives at one point.

This portion of the Greek even makes it clear they have accepted Christ to the point they have been under the Blood (Sacrifice) of Christ.

26 For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,
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I gave you my thorough explanation of Hebrews 10:26-29 in context and properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture before reaching my conclusion, but feel free to believe as you wish. We will just have to remain in disagreement.
 
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mailmandan said:
I gave you my thorough explanation of Hebrews 10:26-29 in context and properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture before reaching my conclusion, but feel free to believe as you wish. We will just have to remain in disagreement.
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I believe in Eternal Salvation, don't get me wrong. I am not looking around the corner scared for my life. But then again, I am not wilfully committing sins either. If I was, I sure would not expect God to overlook my ignorance.
 
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biker said:
I believe in Eternal Salvation, don't get me wrong. I am not looking around the corner scared for my life. But then again, I am not wilfully committing sins either. If I was, I sure would not expect God to overlook my ignorance.
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do you actually sin?
 
biker said:
“Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Matthew 7:21-23).”


This portion here:
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Is believing you can sin and be saved doing the Will of the Father?
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Placing our faith in Jesus Christ is the will of our Heavenly Father.
 
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BillG said:
do you actually sin?
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I am a GUIDO/JEW, my anger boils at being looked at wrongly. I naturally have a big mouth where the words fly out before I understand what I am saying. I have been judgemental on several occasions. I have definitely sinned since coming back to God!


And each time I have sinned, I am immediate or when it comes to my memory to repent and ask God to forgive me!

I feel the Holy Spirit within me telling me to repent.
 
biker said:
I am a GUIDO/JEW, my anger boils at being looked at wrongly. I naturally have a big mouth where the words fly out before I understand what I am saying. I have been judgemental on several occasions. I have definitely sinned since coming back to God!
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I have just sinned on a non believer site....I let rip......only because they were bad mouthing the Lord!...
 
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EleventhHour said:
You come on this thread started by @dcontroversal and you make comments like that....
and you want to be taken seriously as to getting this thread back on track?

Who is foolin who...it ain't me.
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That barely registered on the snark-o-meter compared to his usual malicious banter :poop:


BillG said:
do you actually sin?
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To hear some speak, their sins are unintentional. It is everyone else's that are intentional ;)
 
biker said:
I am a GUIDO/JEW, my anger boils at being looked at wrongly. I naturally have a big mouth where the words fly out before I understand what I am saying. I have been judgemental on several occasions. I have definitely sinned since coming back to God!
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That would amount to willful sin my man. It has nothing to do with being a GUIDO/JEW, it has to do with your flesh, sin nature. The genetic thing is just an excuse. Not trying to make you angry or anything, so don't sin! :)
 
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jackrosie said:
I have just sinned on a non believer site....I let rip......only because they were bad mouthing the Lord!...
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Even though you could be doing a good thing, because you know within yourself to you it was sinful, did you also repent?

Just asking.
 
jaybo said:
What makes you think that in some way the translators who created the KJV were lovers of the word, giving them some sort of special ability that modern translators lack?
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Read the Translators To The Reader that was originally written in the KJV and compare that to the Preface in any major Bible translation after 1881.

That’s proof enough for me.
 
I feel guilty when I sin. I never want to become hardened and feel it's ok I am saved. I love it when God CHASTISES me because the Bible says God only CHASTISES those He calls His OWN!
 
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