Why is it sad? It's certainly sad for Judas Iscariot.While I was reading this I was thinking how many are in the church today... aaah brother Dan this is a sad post indeed my friend
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Yes my friend. When I red your post it occurred to me that not everybody in the church saying Jesus, Jesus will be saved.
Jackrosie, Jesus said to them “I never knew you.” Now either we accept the words of Jesus as spoken and seek to understand or we try to correct Jesus telling him that’s not true what he said. Peter tried that and it didn’t go well.
I really recommend not changing the Bible but instead let it change our thinking. It’s a dangerous habit to disagree with the words written.
Yes, we see that in Matthew 7:22-23. I have heard certain individuals state they know someone who was truly saved, but later lost their salvation, yet only God truly knows the heart of individuals. Certain people "on the surface" may do a good job of looking like the real deal for a while (like Judas Iscariot, who was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus - John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) yet to the other 11 disciples, he looked like the real deal, but Jesus knew his heart. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
Hi DorothyMae...how am I changing scripture?
Jesus never knew them because they weren’t of his...born again.....?
He definitely knew 'who they were'! He just wasn't embracing them,
for they were liars, pretenders, thinking that they could use Him for their own benefit...
this powerful message in scripture is such an important message for today...
for they were liars, pretenders, thinking that they could use Him for their own benefit...
this powerful message in scripture is such an important message for today...
Jesus did not say the reason. He actually never told anyone they were born again. He told one man he needed to be born again in his entire three years of ministry. So you change it by adding to it deciding yourself why he said what he did. It’s better if you don’t add reasons you have decided upon.
He rejected them because they were breakers of the law or lawless. He doesn’t say it’s because they weren’t born again. It’s because of their behavior. I didn’t write it, I just read it.
Tell VCO and others who keep trying to tell us that we’re not saved because we don’t embrace OSAS.
So only those in the end times need to endure, that is not die, in order to be saved at the end?
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Physical salvation is context not eternal
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He said he never knew them which means he never was in a relationship with them means they were never her children
And he did say why because they practiced lawlessness which is the traitor of a dead sinner not the trait of a raised son.
Physical salvation is impossible.
All flesh will eventually die regardless of circumstances.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50).
If enduring to the end means not dying in the flesh (in the end times) then the logical conclusion if captured by the beasts army is to get the mark to avoid dying.
Many people today are so focused on saving their flesh that they obey a commandment from man to wear a mask on their face. What do you suppose many will do when faced with the threat of execution if the mark is refused?
Now, @oyster67 - You and I both know Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, He will complete what He has started.
Amen! With or without us, as individuals, He and His bride shall prevail. Our faith is never in vain! PTL! Hold fast to it. It is precious indeed.
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Again the context is tribulation period and enduring till the end when Christ returns. Whoever does this will be saved (physically)
It is written to encourage people alive at this time who are suffering the greatest tribulation mankind Will ever endure
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If you do not embrace once saved and always saved then you are relying on SELF for salvation or to maintain salvation.
Scripture is clear there is no "SELF" in salvation.
"and that not of yourselves"
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Ephesians 2:8
So the understanding of “he who endures the tribulation to the end will be saved” to you means he who physically survives the tribulation will be saved from physical death. Conversely, he who dies in the GT (because he refused the mark) will not be physically saved. Does anyone else see how this is saying nothing if not nonsense? If you died you didn’t survive and weren’t saved and if you survive you lived and so are saved??