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DorothyMae

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jackrosie said:
Magneta.......Jesus knows everyone he knows the heart of everyone,......am I right in saying that he knows everyone,but not all that he knows are born again?
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Jackrosie, Jesus said to them “I never knew you.” Now either we accept the words of Jesus as spoken and seek to understand or we try to correct Jesus telling him that’s not true what he said. Peter tried that and it didn’t go well.

I really recommend not changing the Bible but instead let it change our thinking. It’s a dangerous habit to disagree with the words written.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Yes my friend. When I red your post it occurred to me that not everybody in the church saying Jesus, Jesus will be saved.
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Yes, we see that in Matthew 7:22-23. I have heard certain individuals state they know someone who was truly saved, but later lost their salvation, yet only God truly knows the heart of individuals. Certain people "on the surface" may do a good job of looking like the real deal for a while (like Judas Iscariot, who was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus - John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) yet to the other 11 disciples, he looked like the real deal, but Jesus knew his heart. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
 
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DorothyMae said:
Jackrosie, Jesus said to them “I never knew you.” Now either we accept the words of Jesus as spoken and seek to understand or we try to correct Jesus telling him that’s not true what he said. Peter tried that and it didn’t go well.

I really recommend not changing the Bible but instead let it change our thinking. It’s a dangerous habit to disagree with the words written.
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Hi DorothyMae...how am I changing scripture?

Jesus never knew them because they weren’t of his...born again.....?
 
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He definitely knew 'who they were'! He just wasn't embracing them,
for they were liars, pretenders, thinking that they could use Him for their own benefit...
this powerful message in scripture is such an important message for today...
 
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DorothyMae

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jackrosie said:
Hi DorothyMae...how am I changing scripture?

Jesus never knew them because they weren’t of his...born again.....?
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Jesus did not say the reason. He actually never told anyone they were born again. He told one man he needed to be born again in his entire three years of ministry. So you change it by adding to it deciding yourself why he said what he did. It’s better if you don’t add reasons you have decided upon.
 
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DorothyMae

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oldethennew said:
He definitely knew 'who they were'! He just wasn't embracing them,
for they were liars, pretenders, thinking that they could use Him for their own benefit...
this powerful message in scripture is such an important message for today...
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He rejected them because they were breakers of the law or lawless. He doesn’t say it’s because they weren’t born again. It’s because of their behavior. I didn’t write it, I just read it.
 
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DorothyMae

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mailmandan said:
Yes, we see that in Matthew 7:22-23. I have heard certain individuals state they know someone who was truly saved, but later lost their salvation, yet only God truly knows the heart of individuals. Certain people "on the surface" may do a good job of looking like the real deal for a while (like Judas Iscariot, who was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus - John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) yet to the other 11 disciples, he looked like the real deal, but Jesus knew his heart. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
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Tell VCO and others who keep trying to tell us that we’re not saved because we don’t embrace OSAS.
 
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DorothyMae

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oldethennew said:
He definitely knew 'who they were'! He just wasn't embracing them,
for they were liars, pretenders, thinking that they could use Him for their own benefit...
this powerful message in scripture is such an important message for today...
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He said they were workers of inquiry, Thsts what I’m sticking with,
 
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dcontroversal said:
I honestly cannot even engage her anymore.....there is not an ounce of contextual honesty in anything she says or posts. Just like this topic and the scripture we POST WHICH STATES clearly that JUDAS WAS a devil from the beginning and NEVER CLEAN and when she rejects this truth, js dishonest and we call her on it, not only does she in pride refuse it, she mouths, accuses us, attempts to twist it back on us and then GETS SUPPORT FROM OTHER DISHONEST people thay claim to be saved....it is sickening!
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How well you described her. That is her mode of operandi
 
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DorothyMae said:
Jesus did not say the reason. He actually never told anyone they were born again. He told one man he needed to be born again in his entire three years of ministry. So you change it by adding to it deciding yourself why he said what he did. It’s better if you don’t add reasons you have decided upon.
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He said he never knew them which means he never was in a relationship with them means they were never her children

And he did say why because they practiced lawlessness which is the traitor of a dead sinner not the trait of a raised son.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Physical salvation is context not eternal
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Physical salvation is impossible.

All flesh will eventually die regardless of circumstances.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50).

If enduring to the end means not dying in the flesh (in the end times) then the logical conclusion if captured by the beasts army is to get the mark to avoid dying.

Many people today are so focused on saving their flesh that they obey a commandment from man to wear a mask on their face. What do you suppose many will do when faced with the threat of execution if the mark is refused?
 
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Lafftur said:
Now, @oyster67 - You and I both know Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, He will complete what He has started. :love:(y)
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Amen! With or without us, as individuals, He and His bride shall prevail. Our faith is never in vain! PTL! Hold fast to it. It is precious indeed.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Physical salvation is impossible.

All flesh will eventually die regardless of circumstances.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50).

If enduring to the end means not dying in the flesh (in the end times) then the logical conclusion if captured by the beasts army is to get the mark to avoid dying.

Many people today are so focused on saving their flesh that they obey a commandment from man to wear a mask on their face. What do you suppose many will do when faced with the threat of execution if the mark is refused?
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Yawn

Again the context is tribulation period and enduring till the end when Christ returns. Whoever does this will be saved (physically)

It is written to encourage people alive at this time who are suffering the greatest tribulation mankind Will ever endure
 
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DorothyMae said:
Tell VCO and others who keep trying to tell us that we’re not saved because we don’t embrace OSAS.
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If you do not embrace once saved and always saved then you are relying on SELF for salvation or to maintain salvation.

Scripture is clear there is no "SELF" in salvation.

"and that not of yourselves"

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Ephesians 2:8
 
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DorothyMae

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eternally-gratefull said:
Physical salvation is context not eternal
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So the understanding of “he who endures the tribulation to the end will be saved” to you means he who physically survives the tribulation will be saved from physical death. Conversely, he who dies in the GT (because he refused the mark) will not be physically saved. Does anyone else see how this is saying nothing if not nonsense? If you died you didn’t survive and weren’t saved and if you survive you lived and so are saved??
 
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