Not By Works

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dcontroversal said:
You must disagree with most of the bible including JESUS....your colors are coming out man.....

BY THEIR FRUIT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM...........do you agree with the guy that said this? I say guy because you obviously reject his words as the mere words of a man
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Come on brother, enough with the insults. You know I’m a dispensation believer and the body of Christ was not formed until after the resurrection. I believe Jesus was talking to the Jews.

Do you really think you can tell a member of Christ by their works? Can we judge another man’s salvation?
 
John146 said:
Then explain James. The question James is answering: Can faith save him?

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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The above shows a complete lack of contextual honesty..............a particular type of faith is being address.....the same mere believe demons have....and the word THAT is implied by the text and even translated that way in numerous translations...yeah I know you worship the KING JIMMY as an IDOL...MAN....you have really sunken to new lows and have really proven that you are not contextually honest....

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
 
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Judges1318 said:
We know it's not that because 'believes' in John 3:16 is a present tense verb in the participle mood.
The person in John 3:16 is presently 'believing' in Him.
So the condition that varies must be whether or not the presently believing person will always be presently believing in Him.
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More deceit..................you have a very bad day coming......
 
dcontroversal said:
The above shows a complete lack of contextual honesty..............a particular type of faith is being address.....the same mere believe demons have....and the word THAT is implied by the text and even translated that way in numerous translations...yeah I know you worship the KING JIMMY as an IDOL...MAN....you have really sunken to new lows and have really proven that you are not contextually honest....

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
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When all else fails, blame the KJV. That’s the seminary coming out in you.
 
dcontroversal said:
TAKE is just like I said....you got nailed in error and now are trying to misdirect......I have learned a lot about your character over the last hour......NOT good man
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We are discussing the book of James. I stated that James is concerning the tribulation Jew and Revelation 14:12 describes the same tribulation Jew. You disagreed. So I ask, who is that in Revelation 14:12?

Also, sticking with James, are the sick healed every time as chapter 5 says?
 
John146 said:
I apologize. I'm just trying to figure out in James, who is justified and before whom is he justified? God or man? Abraham was justified before God. That is the example used. Nobody was with him on that mount when he offered up Isaac.
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That right there is WHY you are MISSING the mark......PAUL used ABRAHAM and DAVID to SHOW it was faith alone that JUSTIFIED ABRAHAM before GOD....and you are still rejecting the truth and the phrase SHOW ME YOUR FAITH..........

Abraham was JUSTIFIED long before he offered Isaac....

He was around 75 when he left UR and around 115 when he offered Isaac.......get your facts straight....Offering ISAAC did NOT justify him before GOD
 
dcontroversal said:
Not hardly pal.....and for the record the Seminary I went to USED the King Jimmy....see....you have no clue what you are talking about.....
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Do you know why James uses Job as an example? Job has long time been an example of the tribulation Jew. The 42 chapters of Job is likened to the 42 months of the great tribulation.

James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Because Job endured to the end, he was blessed with much more than he ever had. If one endures through the tribulation, they will be ushered into the kingdom of Jesus and receive great blessings by the Lord.
 
dcontroversal said:
I had to study the life of Abraham in seminary......in a way his growth and maturity reminds me of @Rosemaryx in this essence.....WHEN he is called as Abram and his name changed he began his walk of faith....his growth and maturity can be seen through the scriptures and when he takes Isaac to sacrifice his his faith can be seen in the promise of GOD to raise up the ONE though the promised Isaac. He was saved and justified by FAITH long ago in UR and this is the end result of his faith. HE knew that GOD would have to raise Isaac up and that the promised one would come through Isaac......

Just like we can see the growth of Rose openly on this site......she came in here unsure, struggling, etc. and over the time she has been here she has grown in her faith, has become rock solid in her posts, has grown in understanding etc......it is cool to watch live HAHAH
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Amen brother...
I have also learned alot from you guys and gals who walk in faith and not by sight , and that is what God requires of us , to build each other up , and strengthen each other...

Abraham knew he would be having Isaac back , before he even took him to the altar , he believed God would resurrect him , he trusted God and believed , now that is faith...

I dont know who said it earlier , it may of been John with the numbers attached to his name , but he said he only reads the bible and does not take notice of men , well I used to think like that , but we all need training from preachers , men of God , to help in our growth , not from false preachers like some I could mention on here , but from sound biblical men like yourself and other fine godly men on here , and a few of my sisters who have taught me a thing or two...

Some people just are not willing to lose their pride , they think being right in their own understanding is what counts , I call it a great error of their ways...
...xox...
 
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John146 said:
As I stated earlier, tribulation saints must have the faith of Christ and keep the commandments. See Revelation 14:12.
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I think you are basing "the faith of Christ" on Galatians 3:22.

(Gal 3:22) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Here's my take on the verse. The promise is the promise God made to Abraham back in Genesis. That promise is given to the believer because of the faith of Jesus Christ. He came and faithful did everything his father asked him to do.

What is your take?
 
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