Not By Works

[Chris1975]

Not impressing me much!

It's not meant for you.

 

[NayborBear]

Dismissive answer you provide ..... It reminds me of hebrews calling us not to harden our hearts

Heb 3:12-14
See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

Sin is a dangerous thing, let it stick around and it destroys our faith.
It is why we need the light of Jesus to cleanse and purify us from all ungodliness

Titus 2:12-14
It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,
while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

This language is alien to many, especially those with hard hearts.

It's because things Spiritual, are not able to be processed by "the wisdom of man." They are foolishness, even FOOL HARDY, in even the "entertaining of such nonsense!"
Put the Spirit in one hand, and 5 bucks in the other? You can buy a cup of coffee!
Give me control over the money? And, I won't care WHAT God they believe in!
So they "water down" the Spirit, with traditions and precepts, in their wisdom! Some never realizing, and some not even caring, that by doing this, they make VOID, not only the Word of God. But, the Spirit of God AND the Spirit of Christ as well!

 

[JohnW34]

hahahhahahaha wow man...every wors is inspired....including IRREVOCABLE.....no wonder you miss the mark!

Rom 11:28-29
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.

Are all of Israel forgiven and saved in your theology? If they believed God at any point, thats salvation is it not?
Am I missing the mark sharing scripture and walking in faith? Seems like I am irrevocably saved in your eyes, unless
ofcourse actually this is not irrevocable, just for you, a special deal, one off, special offer, all sold out now.

Theology as solid as swiss cheese.......

 

[EleventhHour]

It's not meant for you.

That's a relief.

 

[Guojing]

That is a good question. I have never thought about gluttony in this way, because the overweight people I know are casual eaters rather than gluttons. But maybe we should be more encouraging in these health areas.

My point is, it will be pretty hypocritical for us to be especially incensed with certain sins, like homosexuality for a good example, and give those who are under gluttony a free pass.

 

[VCO]

Famous Name, but bad theology.

 

[JohnW34]

I didn’t ask you if a born-again believer can APPEAR to lose their salvation; I asked you, is salvation is irrevocable? YES or No?

Don’t put any other word other than one of those two words (yes/no) to my question. Is salvation irrevocable, yes or no?

If you know Jesus, you know the answer.
Can someone make a confession of faith and then turn away and lose all they have? Yes.
The seed sprouting in a rocky patch. Was Judas saved and lost faith or never had faith at all?

The problem with these tests of spiritual reality, is those who abstain. In Christ my faith is irrevocable, without faith there is no hope.

 

[Chris1975]

Famous Name, but bad theology.

His Theology makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Lightskin]

If you know Jesus, you know the answer.
Can someone make a confession of faith and then turn away and lose all they have? Yes.
The seed sprouting in a rocky patch. Was Judas saved and lost faith or never had faith at all?

The problem with these tests of spiritual reality, is those who abstain. In Christ my faith is irrevocable, without faith there is no hope.

Is salvation irrevocable? Yes or no.

 

[NayborBear]

If you know Jesus, you know the answer.
Can someone make a confession of faith and then turn away and lose all they have? Yes.
The seed sprouting in a rocky patch. Was Judas saved and lost faith or never had faith at all?

The problem with these tests of spiritual reality, is those who abstain. In Christ my faith is irrevocable, without faith there is no hope.

WHO NEEDS HOPE, when you have ETERNAL SECURITY!
Faith is all that's NEEDED!
Who needs the rest of the fruit of the Spirit, for that matter, when you have Eternal Security!

This is the problem with Eternal Security! The INCENTIVE TO GROW AND MATURE SPIRITUALLY!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is salvation irrevocable? Yes or no.

Do you really expect to get an answer

 

[NayborBear]

Is salvation irrevocable? Yes or no.

I field that question! If ya don't mind!
THESE people believed it was!
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The answer to yer question is YES!
Salvation IS revocable!

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

I field that question! If ya don't mind!
THESE people believed it was!
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The answer to yer question is YES!
Salvation IS revocable!

Salvation, properly understood, is actually about worshipping our Creator and not the safety of our rear ends.

It is analogous to those pushing a “prosperity gospel”. Prosperity is not the aim or what we grasp at. It is a byproduct.

 

[dcontroversal]

I know.... they nullify the cross and make it of no effect......it takes a lot of stamina to continually read their slander against Jesus and His grace.

They will find out soon enough.....and they will not be laughing, but rather begging, weeping, crying and then screaming.....!!

 

[dcontroversal]

i notice pattern that everyone who believes in a non-losable salvation of any type is always implied that they walk in darkness, sin as they please, have no fear of God, dont strive for holiness or whatever it is.

its always implied. rarely said directly.

Exactly.....the only straw they can grab and to same B.S. that those like them accused Paul of in his day....tells me all I need to KNOW about my path........

Paul taught eternal life, by grace, through faith and irrevocable <--the liars accused Paul of licentious and a live as you please lie

Same carp they do to us....

 

[dcontroversal]

I field that question! If ya don't mind!
THESE people believed it was!
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The answer to yer question is YES!
Salvation IS revocable!

Out of context drivel alert.....

He NEVER KNEW them...they were NEVER saved and lost it genius.....

and why....they believe the same false dogma that you and your pals peddle...faith PLUS for salvation

 

[dcontroversal]

The ignore function is GREAT.

Good, you should put yourself on ignore and then pick up the bible and come to the knowledge of the truth....

 

[dcontroversal]

One of the reason's this thread is so long (I love this thread) is because those who do not believe in eternal salvation given through and kept by the Blood of Jesus Christ just keep plugging along with what they say it takes to "maintain" salvation.

AMEN....I prayed it would be when I started it and thank GOD it has opened the minds of some that are willing to learn.....and as long as the salvation losers, JESUS devalue'rs, Cainologists, Pharisees, clowns, jokers and trolls keep peddling faux gospels...I will fire away...

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

Exactly.....the only straw they can grab and to same B.S. that those like them accused Paul of in his day....tells me all I need to KNOW about my path........

Paul taught eternal life, by grace, through faith and irrevocable <--the liars accused Paul of licentious and a live as you please lie

Same carp they do to us....

Ooo, I bet you say dirty words since your heart hasn’t been cleansed by faith. Try to remember that without a pure heart you won’t see Him, like He said.

You are hilarious. YOU have condemned me as deserving Hell in the past. Your judgements will fall on your own head, unless you repent. And I hope you do, because of love.

 

[dcontroversal]

To "believe in vain" is explained further on down in the passage (it is TO LEAVE OFF the VITAL aspect of HIS *RESURRECTION* [Paul was tasked with delivering THIS specific "msg"--that which INCLUDES His "RESURRECTION"--no one is saved apart from this Truth/believing this])

AMEN.........10 to 1 it goes so far above his head that he has no chance of grasping it