Not By Works

[Lightskin]

By falling away!
Through the "drifting away", by means of Apostasy!
....and "many" at that last day whom Jesus rejects!
By Blaspheming the Holy Spirit! Which is "unforgivable!"
By following that spirit of anti-christ!

Name just one Christian who’s blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

 

[Chris1975]

Acts 4:10-12
It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is "'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. ' Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

Heb 5:8-10
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

In Red above. Nice one. And true.

 

[Rosemaryx]

You are going on ignore young lady.

And in EVERYTHING , praise God...\/...

 

[TooFastTurtle]

Name just one Christian who’s blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

I feel as if the devil is putting that sin on believers and causes them to believe they have commited it to make them lose hope. That happened to me. I never thought anything negative about the Holy Spirit, but then when I heard certain preachers harp on the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and how it is never forgiven and how you should not think about that. I just found myself thinking "DO NOT THINK IT, DO NOT THINK IT, DO NOT THINK IT" and almost as if out of thin air some blasphemous thoughts came to my mind.

They were put there by that Pastor who talked about it so much so that I became obsessed about it. This is not something recent and I have gotten over it and do not have those thoughts anymore, but I did during that time listening to that person.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I was going to read only for a while but had to respond to Rosemarys last post, because it states what I think is the biblical position so eloquently. I better stop reading now, but that is a good word that Rosemary gave.

All the glory to God...
To be honest , I only ever post when I feel the urge from the Holy Spirit , more times than not , I am watching and learning ,from you and my other brothers and sisters who defend the word in Spiritual truth , you all help to sharpen me...xox...

 

[gb9]

At the moment, there is nothing that God is bringing to my attention, in respect of conviction. Am I always sin free? No. None are. But am I presently actively participating in vice? No. So I can rest in this assurance I have in Him.
Are you presently in repetitive vices? If so, why have you not yet repented?

ah, I should have realized this long ago-

you do not properly define sin, you just think that ' I do not get drunk, chase women, watch porn , cuss, etc.." therefore , i do not sin.

tell you what, study what sin is, then get back to me.

start here- " to him who knows to do good, and does not do so, to him it is sin"

 

[EleventhHour]

How can someone lose their salvation?

Exactly, the word is "salvation" .. its meaning is clear.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I feel as if the devil is putting that sin on believers and causes them to believe they have commited it to make them lose hope. That happened to me. I never thought anything negative about the Holy Spirit, but then when I heard certain preachers harp on the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and how it is never forgiven and how you should not think about that. I just found myself thinking "DO NOT THINK IT, DO NOT THINK IT, DO NOT THINK IT" and almost as if out of thin air some blasphemous thoughts came to my mind.

They were put there by that Pastor who talked about it so much so that I became obsessed about it. This is not something recent and I have gotten over it and do not have those thoughts anymore, but I did during that time listening to that person.

I went through the exact same thing , and you will be surprised that many Christians have got through it to , and because it disturbed my mind sooooo much , I could not even sleep , but God is good and faithful , He brought me closer to Him in His Word , and one Scripture that sticks out for me right now as I type is this , Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

This gave me so much comfort , and the fact that I found it so disturbing of what my mind was capable off , I was led to know that be bothered by the thoughts were a sure sign it was alien to me...

What does not help is I suffer with a kind of OCD thinking , so this sent me to despair , but God is the lifter of our souls...xox...
So glad you came through it , praise God...

 

[Hewillcome2040]

The only thing that I have a question on is: Do you believe the Obedience never has anything to do with Salvation,
He had the HOLY SPIRIT Pour GOD's LOVE into our hearts (human spirit), Rom. 5:5, and that Agape LOVE comes out of us
in the form of LOVE for God and the Brethren. Therefore, our Agape LOVE, spawns our Obedience.


1 John 3:16-18 (HCSB)
16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.

Obedience has everything to do with Salvation. If I'm not obedient then it is evident that I don't have the Spirit of Christ.

But the gift of Faith comes before the Works. Because the Holy Spirit is received through Faith. That means before I can do the works of Christ, Christ must be alive within me by means of His Spirit.

It is easy to put all of this in perspective if you think about what happened in the beginning. Why did Adam (mankind) fall?
- because Adam didn't TRUST (Faith) God and therefore took of the forbidden fruit and did eat. Therefore, had Adam TRUSTED, he would not have fallen. Therefore, TRUST (Faith) in God is the way towards Salvation even from the beginning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 4:10-12
It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is "'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. ' Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

Heb 5:8-10
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

So is this a yes or no? Was the question to hard?

 

[TooFastTurtle]

I went through the exact same thing , and you will be surprised that many Christians have got through it to , and because it disturbed my mind sooooo much , I could not even sleep , but God is good and faithful , He brought me closer to Him in His Word , and one Scripture that sticks out for me right now as I type is this , Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

This gave me so much comfort , and the fact that I found it so disturbing of what my mind was capable off , I was led to know that be bothered by the thoughts were a sure sign it was alien to me...

What does not help is I suffer with a kind of OCD thinking , so this sent me to despair , but God is the lifter of our souls...xox...
So glad you came through it , praise God...

Amen. I also am an OCD kind of person who thinks and thinks and then thinks some more.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Obedience has everything to do with Salvation. If I'm not obedient then it is evident that I don't have the Spirit of Christ.

But the gift of Faith comes before the Works. Because the Holy Spirit is received through Faith. That means before I can do the works of Christ, Christ must be alive within me by means of His Spirit.

It is easy to put all of this in perspective if you think about what happened in the beginning. Why did Adam (mankind) fall?
- because Adam didn't TRUST (Faith) God and therefore took of the forbidden fruit and did eat. Therefore, had Adam TRUSTED, he would not have fallen. Therefore, TRUST (Faith) in God is the way towards Salvation even from the beginning.

Ok so I am saved at a point of time through faith
what happens after this if I am not completely obedient. Just asking for reference. I do not wish to misunderstand you

 

[Hewillcome2040]

So are you are an honest OSAS BELIEVE, that understands that works never save us? HALLELUJAH! We have bombarded with the other kind some kind. Most of us a OSAS evangelical style of Christians. But lately, most new people have been from the other side of the fence. Hope you are Okay with OSAS.

No I don't believe in the doctrine of OSAS either.

Look at Adam, he believed God until he didn't believe God and took of the forbidden fruit. Had he stayed in belief then he would never have fallen out of God's Grace.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Amen. I also am an OCD kind of person who thinks and thinks and then thinks some more.

It can be agony , but I enjoy the season God brings me in to enjoy His refreshment , His light that shines so bright that no darkness can ever put out , so if I have another episode , I will not let the guilt and shame bring me down , I now know it is the enemy , and we have to put on our armor suit and raise our sword , never forgetting that God is our shield and our fortress , and our feet stand on the Rock...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I don't believe in the doctrine of OSAS either.

Look at Adam, he believed God until he didn't believe God and took of the forbidden fruit. Had he stayed in belief then he would never have fallen out of God's Grace.

You can’t use Adam as an example
Adam was perfect and earned his relationship with God. Until he fell
after he fell he was in same boat we all ate unable to earn anything but hell

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Ok so I am saved at a point of time through faith
what happens after this if I am not completely obedient. Just asking for reference. I do not wish to misunderstand you

If your not obedient then you ask for Mercy and repent and get back into being obedient. God is not slack concerning forgiveness or mercy. Read the parable of the talents.

Ok so I am saved at a point of time through faith
what happens after this if I am not completely obedient. Just asking for reference. I do not wish to misunderstand you

Your saved by Faith so long as you stay sealed with the Spirit that comes by Faith. If your not obedient then you ask for forgiveness and mercy and pray that God gives repentance from your sins.

I think people do not understand this topic very well because they don't understand what Spirit is.

In other words you are saved so long as Jesus Spirit is what drives the operation of your Life. He has the copyright on all good works.

We are saved BY Jesus operating through us and not just BECAUSE of Jesus.

 

[Rosemaryx]

No I don't believe in the doctrine of OSAS either.

Look at Adam, he believed God until he didn't believe God and took of the forbidden fruit. Had he stayed in belief then he would never have fallen out of God's Grace.

And yet Gods grace killed an innocent animal and shed blood and covered Adam with the skin , and Adam walked in Gods mercy and grace...

 

[Hewillcome2040]

You can’t use Adam as an example
Adam was perfect and earned his relationship with God. Until he fell
after he fell he was in same boat we all ate unable to earn anything but hell

No Adam was being perfecting by falling. God is creating His own kind and His kind knows the difference between good and evil.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If your not obedient then you ask for Mercy and repent and get back into being obedient. God is not slack concerning forgiveness or mercy. Read the parable of the talents.


Your saved by Faith so long as you stay sealed with the Spirit that comes by Faith. If your not obedient then you ask for forgiveness and mercy and pray that God gives repentance from your sins.

I think people do not understand this topic very well because they don't understand what Spirit is.

In other words you are saved so long as Jesus Spirit is what drives the operation of your Life. He has the copyright on all good works.

We are saved BY Jesus operating through us and not just BECAUSE of Jesus.

The Bible says I am sealed by the spirit until the day of redemption 3 times
I can not find where it says I am sealed as long as I remain obedient as that would contradict the other three passages
fact is God requires perfection. When it comes to our standing when we face him. Perfection is the only thing he will accept
if we are not perfect. The only other option is Christ and his righteousness

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No Adam was being perfecting by falling. God is creating His own kind and His kind knows the difference between good and evil.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

No. Adam was spiritually alive. In perfect right standing. When he sinned he died and needed born again. As we all do