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Pisteuo
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You are still promoting your ideas with everyone so you really have not reached the point of the child.[/QUOTE]
UG, I put my understandings on the table to be tested by anyone. This gives the opportunity to know Christ better. I don't care about who's right and who's wrong. If you have a better understanding, put it out there.
It all starts with that Greek word pisteuo.
Yes......it’s what a Faither does.....he practices faith......that’s what the late, great Dr. Gene Scott used to teach....are you familiar with him?
Posted by Adstar on worthy
Response by Faither 2
Yes,. I've studied under His teaching for over 30 years. How do you know Him?
Where did I learn that the word pisteuo is a verb , an action word?
Where did I learn that Faith the noun , applied by faithing the verb , is an action , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence?
Where did I learn pisteuo couldn't be translated into the English language ?
Where did I learn the English language has no verb form of the noun Faith?
Where did I learn that the words Believe , believer , and Believing are mistranslatied ?
All by Dr. Gene Scott !
Responses to Faither 2
I literally spent thousands and thousands of hours watching Dr.Scott on my out- in -the - boondocks C- Band satellite dish.This is why I must stop you in your tracks.Dr. Scott said EXACTLY what I said He said.. “All you got to do to be saved is cry out like Peter did when he was sinking real fast—- “Lord, save me!” I remember it like it was yesterday.I only heard him say it one time.Maybe that is why you are unaware of it. If I am wrong about this, may I burn in Hell forever.I heard him say it- you didn’t.Its that simple.If you refuse to believe me, we really have nothing more to discuss.If it blows your theology out of the water, I am sorry.The fact remains......HE SAID IT ! It’s quite similar to “ Anybody that asks to be saved WILL be saved”.I see no mention of “surrendering my life” in that Promise.Gene spent his entire ministry fighting Legalists who say “ Jesus saves BUT”....... you know that. He is surely spinning in his grave hearing you say “ Jesus saves B U T, you have to surrender your life to Him”. Once again I will say that surrendering one’s life to Jesus is a great idea.Given time, the Holy Spirit indwelling the Believer will lead him to do that as part of the Sanctification process.You are putting the cart before the horse .Faith in the Shed Blood is what saves.NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD. I am sure you have sung this—- was the writer of this song deluded like the rest of us?
Ha Gene Scott, a sad case of a man seemingly gone quite crazed, one who needed much personal attention like no one else I ever saw.
Gene of the "I ain't teaching till you pay, play the music till we meet budget, com'n! Pay up." ..."And be ready for next month for it is double portion month. I need the 300 to pay double their $300,000 in July. I am sitting and waiting!" Gene lights his cigar, the music plays, and the videos of his horses trot by. "While waiting, here is some of my finger painting in purple and browns you can buy, you must buy from me personally not the church. Damn FCC! !!!"
That Gene Scott? Oh the pyramid, the great pyramid, and the little pyramid of Gene's monetary empire. Great fun watching this seemingly crazed salesman weave his presentation for contributions that became like cultic rites of passage into gaining Gene's insight.
God's angry man? No, don't think so, seemed more a man with a plan to raise money for himself. Seems to me all watching him did was raise awareness of the Playboy Channel and fill in some late night hours for insomnaics. But hey I was one so I watched often.
Gene, much like a blind squirrel, sure found some fun topics and pushed some grand language contortions. He was a kick! He used to berate his ex-wife on his program calling her the old battle axe and other sweet terms. I did enjoy the extent to which he managed to put together a music team so awful it hurt the ears. Their "Sister Sow" was a classic an awful sick mocking tune.
I did wonder, does anybody actually give this guy money? How sad that seemed to me then, for those that might actually have given up their money to champion such a man and show the FCC.
Guess the same is pretty much the case about all men that get followed and championed instead of Christ our Lord and savior, in whom I "faithe", for it is His faith that saved me, and not of my own faithing.
Anybody actually fall into paying Gene each month and double portion when demanded by him? Never mind, I don't really need nor want to know. Consider it rhetorical.
Poor Gene finally went absolutely nutty when he found he had prostate cancer, a hard death many a man endures. He may have been a Christian may not have been, but he sure presented himself as a nut case, entertaining at the time, and so I suppose he kept me off the streets at night. No, I was not on the streets for real.
Ha, I remember now his demanding that attendees acquire ticket for seats to attend his church, and to see his Bible collection. as I remember it he insisted on attendees ordering a ticket, providing information, and made a big deal of having body guards, in his us versus them mode as government supposedly closed in on his operations. Never really knew how much of that was real versus contrived to gain attention. Guess he was kind of a early reality showman. He would do great today on cable eh? Was ahead of his time there. - Mean Gene. Ha what a kick!
Posted by Adstar on worthy
Response by Faither 2
Yes,. I've studied under His teaching for over 30 years. How do you know Him?
Where did I learn that the word pisteuo is a verb , an action word?
Where did I learn that Faith the noun , applied by faithing the verb , is an action , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence?
Where did I learn pisteuo couldn't be translated into the English language ?
Where did I learn the English language has no verb form of the noun Faith?
Where did I learn that the words Believe , believer , and Believing are mistranslatied ?
All by Dr. Gene Scott !
Responses to Faither 2
I literally spent thousands and thousands of hours watching Dr.Scott on my out- in -the - boondocks C- Band satellite dish.This is why I must stop you in your tracks.Dr. Scott said EXACTLY what I said He said.. “All you got to do to be saved is cry out like Peter did when he was sinking real fast—- “Lord, save me!” I remember it like it was yesterday.I only heard him say it one time.Maybe that is why you are unaware of it. If I am wrong about this, may I burn in Hell forever.I heard him say it- you didn’t.Its that simple.If you refuse to believe me, we really have nothing more to discuss.If it blows your theology out of the water, I am sorry.The fact remains......HE SAID IT ! It’s quite similar to “ Anybody that asks to be saved WILL be saved”.I see no mention of “surrendering my life” in that Promise.Gene spent his entire ministry fighting Legalists who say “ Jesus saves BUT”....... you know that. He is surely spinning in his grave hearing you say “ Jesus saves B U T, you have to surrender your life to Him”. Once again I will say that surrendering one’s life to Jesus is a great idea.Given time, the Holy Spirit indwelling the Believer will lead him to do that as part of the Sanctification process.You are putting the cart before the horse .Faith in the Shed Blood is what saves.NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD. I am sure you have sung this—- was the writer of this song deluded like the rest of us?
Ha Gene Scott, a sad case of a man seemingly gone quite crazed, one who needed much personal attention like no one else I ever saw.
Gene of the "I ain't teaching till you pay, play the music till we meet budget, com'n! Pay up." ..."And be ready for next month for it is double portion month. I need the 300 to pay double their $300,000 in July. I am sitting and waiting!" Gene lights his cigar, the music plays, and the videos of his horses trot by. "While waiting, here is some of my finger painting in purple and browns you can buy, you must buy from me personally not the church. Damn FCC! !!!"
That Gene Scott? Oh the pyramid, the great pyramid, and the little pyramid of Gene's monetary empire. Great fun watching this seemingly crazed salesman weave his presentation for contributions that became like cultic rites of passage into gaining Gene's insight.
God's angry man? No, don't think so, seemed more a man with a plan to raise money for himself. Seems to me all watching him did was raise awareness of the Playboy Channel and fill in some late night hours for insomnaics. But hey I was one so I watched often.
Gene, much like a blind squirrel, sure found some fun topics and pushed some grand language contortions. He was a kick! He used to berate his ex-wife on his program calling her the old battle axe and other sweet terms. I did enjoy the extent to which he managed to put together a music team so awful it hurt the ears. Their "Sister Sow" was a classic an awful sick mocking tune.
I did wonder, does anybody actually give this guy money? How sad that seemed to me then, for those that might actually have given up their money to champion such a man and show the FCC.
Guess the same is pretty much the case about all men that get followed and championed instead of Christ our Lord and savior, in whom I "faithe", for it is His faith that saved me, and not of my own faithing.
Anybody actually fall into paying Gene each month and double portion when demanded by him? Never mind, I don't really need nor want to know. Consider it rhetorical.
Poor Gene finally went absolutely nutty when he found he had prostate cancer, a hard death many a man endures. He may have been a Christian may not have been, but he sure presented himself as a nut case, entertaining at the time, and so I suppose he kept me off the streets at night. No, I was not on the streets for real.
Ha, I remember now his demanding that attendees acquire ticket for seats to attend his church, and to see his Bible collection. as I remember it he insisted on attendees ordering a ticket, providing information, and made a big deal of having body guards, in his us versus them mode as government supposedly closed in on his operations. Never really knew how much of that was real versus contrived to gain attention. Guess he was kind of a early reality showman. He would do great today on cable eh? Was ahead of his time there. - Mean Gene. Ha what a kick!
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Pisteuo
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I'm guilty, I'll talk about Jesus and how to faithe into Him with anyone, and have!
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UnderGrace
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UG, I put my understandings on the table to be tested by anyone. This gives the opportunity to know Christ better. I don't care about who's right and who's wrong. If you have a better understanding, put it out there.
It all starts with that Greek word pisteuo.[/QUOTE]
There is only one truth so you should care.
Read John 3 and especially John 3:10 and think on it.
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Pisteuo
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There is only one truth so you should care.
Read John 3 and especially John 3:10 and think on it.[/QUOTE]
You've fast forwarded to scripture already!
I thought we were starting at the beginning. In the Beginning, the Father is calling us out, we turn to look in the direction of the caller, then what?
We don't have the Spirit of Christ yet at this early phase. So Christ, His word, and His promises are not ours to claim yet. Rom. 8:9
So how do we proceed without illegitimately claiming God and His word.?
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UnderGrace
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Where is the standing on the Truth that God desires from us?
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Galatians 5:1
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
John 8:32
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UnderGrace
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I find it interesting that in my time here on CC this is the only thread that has had a steady stream of trolls
The lastest one....
PENANCESPENANCESPENANCES
@dcontroversal , I am thinking this thread must be a real problem for false teachers out there.
The lastest one....
PENANCESPENANCESPENANCES
@dcontroversal , I am thinking this thread must be a real problem for false teachers out there.
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Pisteuo
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UG
You've fast forwarded to scripture already!
I thought we were starting at the beginning. In the Beginning, the Father is calling us out, we turn to look in the direction of the caller, then what?
We don't have the Spirit of Christ yet at this early phase. So Christ, His word, and His promises are not ours to claim yet. Rom. 8:9
So how do we proceed without illegitimately claiming God and His word.?
You've fast forwarded to scripture already!
I thought we were starting at the beginning. In the Beginning, the Father is calling us out, we turn to look in the direction of the caller, then what?
We don't have the Spirit of Christ yet at this early phase. So Christ, His word, and His promises are not ours to claim yet. Rom. 8:9
So how do we proceed without illegitimately claiming God and His word.?
Ah was waiting for 2 Thessolians 2:11-12.
Where does it say personal surrender to God?
It doesn't but what it says is that
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So God sends them a strong delusion.
Who to?
2 Thessalonians 2:10
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
What is the truth?
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Same Greek word pisteuo.
What really gets my goat about you is the following.
I said to you that I just want to be like Jesus.
Every day I want to be like him.
You did not even address that in any way shape or form.
You just pushed pisteuo.
Now if wanting to be like Jesus is not a personal surrender then I have no idea what it is for you.
Now I'm sure that most on this thread want to be like Jesus.
They will say that it's faith that saves as evidenced by me as Pisteou which does not correlate to your interpretation of which you are still not willing to from Vines or Strongs (which by the way you incorporate Strongs after I said it didn't along with Vines)
So please link via e-mail to Vines or Strongs to support YOUR view not the Stanford bloke.
If not then we have a handle on you and the guy you follow.
If not then you need to apologise to everyone on here who acknowledge they want to be like Jesus, because that's a life of personal surrender.
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Pisteuo
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He's looking for those who will willing faithe themselves to Him.
Faithe, means a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Pisteuo!
God the Father didn't die for us, His Son Jesus Christ did.
It's not much different than surrending on a battlefield. You surrender and become a slave to the one you've surrendered to, with no rights of your own. Your master has all the rights now!
UG, I put my understandings on the table to be tested by anyone. This gives the opportunity to know Christ better. I don't care about who's right and who's wrong. If you have a better understanding, put it out there.
It all starts with that Greek word pisteuo.[/QUOTE]
That's the point mate here.
That is the first time that I can see that out there. I don't care who's right and wrong.
Yet you have said to me and others that on judgement day that we would say to you "if only I had listened to you"
So by inference those who didn't are going to hell.
Truth is on judgement day I would probably have no idea who you are and it will be Jesus who will judge.
Yippee! The leaves I raked for my neighbor will get me to heaven.
WOO HOO!! The money I donated to charity is maintaining my salvation!!
OHHH.. wait.. Good works don't save us.
DOGGONE IT!!!
WOO HOO!! The money I donated to charity is maintaining my salvation!!
OHHH.. wait.. Good works don't save us.
DOGGONE IT!!!
I know what your thoughts are concerning pisteou.
But what I will reject is the fact as you say that we are willing slaves.
We are the sons as daughters of God, the apple of his eye.
It is he who gave us life, it's he that has birthed us, it is he created us.
Therefore we are his children and not willing slaves.
We are willing children wanting to walk with him and be like him.
Uh oh, Play-Doh boy is at it again. Giving out smiley faces by the dozens.OK folks, playground recess is over..
Poor little Play-do boy has no friends.
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Pisteuo
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UG, this is how the wide path has gotten so wide. Go to church, given a Bible, accept Jesus, and everything in His word is ours to claim. That's just not true!
Thank God and lets praise Him for growing us , and keeping us and energizing us when we feel we can endure no more...
What a wonderful amazing God we serve...
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Pisteuo
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That's kind of a state of being from who has been perfected by Him for many many years, towards the end of the journey. It would be a different state at the start or middle of the journey. Sorry for ruining that part for you.