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QUOTE="UnderGrace, post: 4051942, member: 239621"]Well you are ready to lay down your understanding and start fresh ... you let me know.[/QUOTE]
I thought we already started. I was waiting for your reply to this beginning post.
Well what is it that the Vines is telling us to surrender? And what is it the Vines is telling us to live Continually surrendering to.
What is the Strong's telling us to commit to? What to be committed to? What to commit unto?
I understand those things to be our lives. What is it your thinking it is?
I thought we already started. I was waiting for your reply to this beginning post.
Well what is it that the Vines is telling us to surrender? And what is it the Vines is telling us to live Continually surrendering to.
What is the Strong's telling us to commit to? What to be committed to? What to commit unto?
I understand those things to be our lives. What is it your thinking it is?
And the World is watching. Many come to this site to see if there is anything real to this "Christian Faith" they've heard about. What do they see?
As well, we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses." Indeed the angels, the Son,and the Father are watching us all, especially those who "claim His Name." God is looking to see if the Light of His Son is shining in us. Are we running our race well. Are we "conducting ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ." (Phil 1:27)
Sadly, I believe the rebuke of the Apostle, and of the Lord Himself, would be to us, "you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?" (1Cor 3:3)
Paul said he was grieved that those in the church had not repented, and that when he came he would find "quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, slander, gossip, arrogance, and disorder." Sadly, he would find much of the same here as well.
Where are those "good works" that God desires from us?
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matt 5:16
"Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul, 12 having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation." - 1Pet 2:11-12
Again, I agree with Paul's prayer for the church, for us, "that we may be filled with the knowledge of God's will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 so that we will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God." (Col 1:9-10)
Amen.
As well, we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses." Indeed the angels, the Son,and the Father are watching us all, especially those who "claim His Name." God is looking to see if the Light of His Son is shining in us. Are we running our race well. Are we "conducting ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ." (Phil 1:27)
Sadly, I believe the rebuke of the Apostle, and of the Lord Himself, would be to us, "you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?" (1Cor 3:3)
Paul said he was grieved that those in the church had not repented, and that when he came he would find "quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, slander, gossip, arrogance, and disorder." Sadly, he would find much of the same here as well.
Where are those "good works" that God desires from us?
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matt 5:16
"Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul, 12 having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation." - 1Pet 2:11-12
Again, I agree with Paul's prayer for the church, for us, "that we may be filled with the knowledge of God's will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 so that we will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God." (Col 1:9-10)
Amen.
Now you say above based on what I quoted below.
Your version that you have been telling us means personal surrender per Vines Expository.
So I posted
Belief, Believe, Believers - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Belief, Believe, Believers
[ A-1,Verb,G4100, pisteuo ]
to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (See below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, See John 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
So I have copied the defenition of pisteuo per Vines and Strongs says the same.
So please do me the favour I asked you a while back.
Post a copy and paste from Vines or Strongs that you promote your premise of personal surrender, or even a link to either that supports your point because if you can't?
If you can't then you fall foul off plastering the mistranslation of pisteuo yourself.
Your understanding of this is placed on one guy from Stanford who you were taught under for 30 years.
Good luck I'm rooting for you.
Because if you can't its you that has the issue, if you can then it's me.
Ps shall I address you going forward on here as Pisteuo or Faither 2 from worthychristiansforums.com ?
Which I notice you if it's you then it seems you did not get much there either.
A quote I recall on here from you.
The A,B,C's of Faith ?
The same on the other site.
At the start of the Salvation journey, we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet. So Christ, His word, and the promises in His word are not ours yet. Rom. 8:9
Same again.
Finally
Abrahams Faith wasn't in God's words or promises ( like todays church world), it was in " God HIMSELF."
Yet what I find interesting on the other site you were willing to discuss.
Not gone throughout the whole thread.
But me thinks it's you
Your version that you have been telling us means personal surrender per Vines Expository.
So I posted
Belief, Believe, Believers - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Belief, Believe, Believers
[ A-1,Verb,G4100, pisteuo ]
to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (See below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, See John 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
So I have copied the defenition of pisteuo per Vines and Strongs says the same.
So please do me the favour I asked you a while back.
Post a copy and paste from Vines or Strongs that you promote your premise of personal surrender, or even a link to either that supports your point because if you can't?
If you can't then you fall foul off plastering the mistranslation of pisteuo yourself.
Your understanding of this is placed on one guy from Stanford who you were taught under for 30 years.
Good luck I'm rooting for you.
Because if you can't its you that has the issue, if you can then it's me.
Ps shall I address you going forward on here as Pisteuo or Faither 2 from worthychristiansforums.com ?
Which I notice you if it's you then it seems you did not get much there either.
A quote I recall on here from you.
The A,B,C's of Faith ?
The same on the other site.
At the start of the Salvation journey, we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet. So Christ, His word, and the promises in His word are not ours yet. Rom. 8:9
Same again.
Finally
Abrahams Faith wasn't in God's words or promises ( like todays church world), it was in " God HIMSELF."
Yet what I find interesting on the other site you were willing to discuss.
Not gone throughout the whole thread.
But me thinks it's you
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Here you go!
The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are
(1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12;
(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;
(3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Romans 4:17, Romans 4:20-Romans 4:21. See
The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are
(1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12;
(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;
(3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Romans 4:17, Romans 4:20-Romans 4:21. See
