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Where does it say provided they WANT to return , or is that your words...xox...
You seem to think you cannot sin. Or more likely you can sin and do as you like because you are eternally saved.
That is one danger of OSAS.
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Show me where I said this.. I will be waiting for you to show where I even insinuated this.
No. I admit I will sin,, I can not meet Godds PERFECT STANDARD
Huge difference my friend.
John said if we say we HAVE 0present tense) no sin (he included himself) we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us
If you think your sinless. You are deceived, those are johns words not mine.
And you and others who do not believe in the promises of God always throw that card , you are ALL like parrots , seriously , do you not realise you are grieving the Holy Spirit when you say such things...
Your remarks are cheap , and Jesus said if they hate Him , the world will hate us also ...
Base on the context, a real believer could not do the falling away. Hebrews 6 speaks rather of impossibility than possibility. There’s no way a real born again (saved by the grace of God) will again be born again. There is no such thing as born again and again and again. The relationship has been firmly grounded in Christ. What the believer received from Christ then no one is able to pluck them out of his Father’s hand especially when it has been sealed by the Holy Spirit. The real believers are saved, secured and sure serving Christ. Context in Hebrews speaks of receiving blessing from God and things that accompany salvation (v.7), this is referred to the good works or labor of love shown toward the brethren but this ministry may be lose and be rejected but then again it does not say about the losing of salvation. It is rather a of a losing of rewards to those who fall back into this ministry and be held accountable during the Judgement Seat of Christ (JSOC) where our works good or bad will be tested by fire. So, it is the desire of the writer of the Hebrews, if not Apostle Paul to shew the full assurance of hope until by patience receives the blessings. (vv. 10-12).
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead. (Pro 21:16 KJV)
What about this and others like it:-
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Hebrews 6:4-6
He agreed with Hebrews 6 that says
"if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."
"There’s no way a real born again (saved by the grace of God) will again be born again. There is no such thing as born again and again and again."
DO YOU KNOW that the WORD BELIEVE, has a Different MEANING than the ENGLISH word BELIEVE?
IT MEANS ACKNOWLEDGING SOMETHING IS TRUE, TO THE POINT YOU ARE WILL TO PUT YOUR WHOLE WEIGHT UPON WHO YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE.
If you are not willing to put your WHOLE WEIGHT on JESUS, you are LYING WHEN you say you Believe.
OSAS TRUE BELIEVERS KNOW THAT, so you are spreading LIES about our BELIEFS.
NO - - - Apostates did not Truly Believe, because there so-called beliefs were LESS THAN JESUS MEANT BY:
John 16:31 (NIV)
31 "You believe at last!" Jesus answered.
They were at best, LIKE this form English word Believe:
James 2:19 (HCSB)
19 You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder.
Therefore they Never had SAVING FAITH, just like the DEMONS.
Your LIES about OSAS that you have been taught, can cause a Babe in Christ to STUMBLE.
Matthew 18:6 (ASV)
6 But whoso shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to stumble, it is profitable for him that a great millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depth of the sea.
I suggest that you learn from us, what we REALLY BELIEVE, because the person that taught you about OSAS beliefs, is peddling a UNTRUTH.
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eternally-gratefull
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Yep
Thats why the law failed. And hebrews wanted to go back to law. Thats why the author warned tham against that apostacy, Saying if they could fall away (like the law says) they can;t be renewed.
its not about losing alvation, its about returning to law. Which says you CAN Lose salvation.
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eternally-gratefull
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Umm... on the assumption, they that may have tasted the good word of God like you crucify Christ afresh. But Is possible to crucify him? No! No one on earth today can nor will ever crucify Christ once again. He did it already once and his offering of his body is once for all. So… it’s really that impossible!
Hebrews 10:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Yes, absolutely! We are sure getting some Weird and Strange False Doctrines coming in.