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eternally-gratefull said:
Dead means non existant

The bible says we are saved by faith.

One must HAVE FAITH before they can be saved, Mere belief (dead faith) never saved anyone

Again, TRUE FAITH WORKS.
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Amen! In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no resulting evidential works (to substantiate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works. (James 2:14-24)

Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony* (y)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I can show you the same

I already have

What you cant show me is what grace is, because you have no understanding of it. Or what dead faith means.
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Grace is that we don't have to clean ourselves just to go to the temple to be near God's Spirit, for Jesus cleans us now just by our faith in his shed blood cleaning us of the sins we repent of, and we become the temple.
 
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YourTruthGod said:
Grace is that we don't have to clean ourselves just to go to the temple to be near God's Spirit, for Jesus cleans us now just by our faith in his shed blood cleaning us of the sins we repent of, and we become the temple.
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Grace means unearned or unmerited favor. I means you are made right with God by his blood. The penalty of sin is death, The GIFT of God is eternal life’’

Your trying to make Gods grace gift a reward. Earned by your good works.. Thus you have no comprehension of what Grace is..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Grace means unearned or unmerited favor.
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That is not in the Bible, it is what false teachers say like a mantra.
eternally-gratefull said:
I means you are made right with God by his blood. The penalty of sin is death, The GIFT of God is eternal life’’

Your trying to make Gods grace gift a reward. Earned by your good works.. Thus you have no comprehension of what Grace is..
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The reward is eternal life with God. Do you not know the scriptures?
 
GodsGrace101 said:
I agree with @YourTruthGod that replied to this.
If you could show me where I'm wrong, I'd be willing to listen...

But I don't believe it's wrong to say that we have to obey God....
And do good deeds for Him....

If that's incorrect doctrine, then we're not reading the same bible.

Good Night.
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I think that we have a differnt point of entry on obedience and good deeds.

When I was a child I sometimes obeyed my parents freely because I loved them, other times so I would not be punished and yet other times to gain something, and a million other variations.....e vero?

However, from the way I read some, not all of your posts obeying is for salvation, I am saying that obeying is a result of salvation we want to do what pleases Him.

The obeying is part of the relationship that exists, because I loved my parents and my parents loved me I strove to obey, I did not strive to obey to gain the relationship. We would consider these terrible parents why would we see God this way.

When I obeyed my parents it was because I knew it was to protect me from harm, I think it is the same with God, we still have a will and we can disobey, He still loves us ....He does not make us unjustified but He can chasten us and sometimes even remove us from this earth.

Our point of entry and reason is the worthy walk, not for salvation, that is done...Paul talks on this.

"that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him" (Colossians 1:9-10).

How can we please Him if what we do is not from a place of freedom?

Do we serve a task master.....No..... we serve a God who tells over and over He is Love.
 
UnderGrace said:
I think that we have a differnt point of entry on obedience and good deeds.

When I was a child I sometimes obeyed my parents freely because I loved them, other times so I would not be punished and yet other times to gain something, and a million other variations.....e vero?

However, from the way I read some, not all of your posts obeying is for salvation, I am saying that obeying is a result of salvation we want to do what pleases Him.

The obeying is part of the relationship that exists, because I loved my parents and my parents loved me I strove to obey, I did not strive to obey to gain the relationship. We would consider these terrible parents why would we see God this way.

When I obeyed my parents it was because I knew it was to protect me from harm, I think it is the same with God, we still have a will and we can disobey, He still loves us ....He does not make us unjustified but He can chasten us and sometimes even remove us from this earth.

Our point of entry and reason is the worthy walk, not for salvation, that is done...Paul talks on this.

"that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him" (Colossians 1:9-10).

How can we please Him if what we do is not from a place of freedom?

Do we serve a task master.....No..... we serve a God who tells over and over He is Love.
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We do not have the same beliefs on this. We have to obey Jesus to get saved and to stay saved. Even repenting of sins is obedience.
 
UnderGrace said:
Well, you have missed the Gospel then, since it is clear we do not put God in our debt by our works.
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The debt is our cleaning ourselves. No one cleans themselves anymore.

We still have to obey God; we just don't have to get circumcised in the flesh and sacrifice animals anymore.
 
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