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He saved us from all eternity at the point of us receiving our glorified body. God is outside of time.
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Poinsetta
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I don’t think its as acid as it was back in the day,,, just saying
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Many are called; few are chosen. Not everybody chooses to respond to God's grace correctly. It is not God's fault for calling them.can you explain why God chose Simon, knowing that Simon would 'use his free will' to deny Him, to presumptuously tell the temple treasurers that He pays a tax He is absolutely free from, to speak as Satan urging Him not to take up His cross, and to argue with Him & deny His direct commandment in visions?
why did God choose Lot, knowing that Lot would argue with every single thing the angels told him, and have to be forcibly dragged out of Sodom by the hand?
too bad i wasn't clever enough to choose the right path, like you. i might have had an easier time meriting His favor! i find His grace irresistible - i reckon you also have stronger willpower than me.
...We know that we have come to know him IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. THIS IS HOW WE KNOW WE ARE IN HIM: Whoever claims to live in him must WALK AS JESUS DID.............. Anyone who claims to be IN THE LIGHT but hates his brother is STILL IN THE DARKNESS. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because THE DARKNESS HAS BLINDED HIM. 1 John 2:3-11
...IT IS GOD'S WILL that you should be SANCTIFIED: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter NO ONE SHOULD WRONG HIS BODY or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN for all such sins, as we have already told you and WARNED you. For GOD DID NOT CALL US TO BE IMPURE, but to live a HOLY LIFE. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
...Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16
...I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NOT A MATTER OF TALK BUT OF POWER.
1 Corinthians 4:19-20
...as the body without the Spirit is DEAD, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also. James 2:26
...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED. Romans 13:11
I find nothing wrong with Mailman's posts, but I find NUMEROUS errors in interpretations in yours.
How certain are you to have YOUR INTERPRETATIONS examined by the same Expert in the GREEK?
Personally, I would expect him to say:
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DOHERETICSFORFEITHEAVEN
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Do you believe someone can get to heaven without being sanctified because they chose to refuse God's grace?
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Where will you exist in eternity if you continue to believe false doctrine?
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DOHERETICSFORFEITHEAVEN
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Are you finally claiming you will go to hell if you continue to believe false doctrine?
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DOHERETICSFORFEITHEAVEN
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Now you are claiming you gave birth to yourself. Incomplete faith will not save your nor attempting to enter into heaven through your own birth canal.
I never said any such thing. I did not ask how long it takes for fruit to manifest in a believer's life, because I ALREADY KNOW the answer. OH, you didn"t KNOW this, Maestro
The Gospel begins bearing fruit in us THE FIRST DAY WE BELIEVE.
Colossians 1:5- because of the hope laid up for you in [a]heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, [b]the gospel 6. :which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth;
This is where I drop the mike and walk out.
Colossians 1:5- because of the hope laid up for you in [a]heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, [b]the gospel 6. :which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth;
a. The Gospel
b. is bearing fruit IN YOU
c. since the day you heard it (the gospel) and understood the grace of God.
UMMMHMMMM.....chew on that one GB9
DCON said we cannot bear anything before a period of growth and maturity. Paul said we bear since the day we heard and understood.
Now you will probably say, that is not us bearing fruit, that is the gospel bearing fruit in you...don't say it. Because you're not the one who bears fruit in yourself. You bear fruit because you are in the vine.
Cheers
a. The Gospel
b. is bearing fruit IN YOU
c. since the day you heard it (the gospel) and understood the grace of God.
UMMMHMMMM.....chew on that one GB9
DCON said we cannot bear anything before a period of growth and maturity. Paul said we bear since the day we heard and understood.
Now you will probably say, that is not us bearing fruit, that is the gospel bearing fruit in you...don't say it. Because you're not the one who bears fruit in yourself. You bear fruit because you are in the vine.
Cheers
Deade
You actually threw me there for a few moments with your post. So I went to the Hebrew. Better Godsgrace101? lol
Romans 7:4
Thus my brothers, you have been made dead with regard to the Torah through the Messiah's body, so that you may belong to someone else, namely the one who has been raised from the dead, in order fir us to bear fruit for God. For when we were living according to our old nature, the passions connected with sins worked through the Torah in our various parts, with the result that we bore fruit for death. But, now we have been released from this aspect of the Torah because we have died to that which had us in is clutches, so that we are serving in the new way provided by the Spirit and not in the old way of ourwardly following the letter of the law.
We are to present ourselves a living sacrifice, Holy and acceptable to God and reckon it's true that we are dead to sin but alive to God. We were changed instantly when we were born again. Taken from the kingdom of darkness and translated into the Kingdom of Gods dear Son.
It's our hearts desire to be like Jesus, and be loved by Father. He does...and we do. This is better than forced labor. Paul was painting a picture for his Jewish brethren, but taking all scriptures together, we find the truth.
Circumcised of flesh by heavenly hands, on the 8th Day...the day of new beginnings. The day of new life in Jesus. Of course He leads by His Word, and by His Voice. And we flow in His gifttings. We love it!
Faith itself bears fruit, sometimes on the first day or first several days.
Andrew brought Peter because he believed Jesus was the Messiah
Phillip brought Nathaniel because he believed Jesus was the Messiah
The Samaritan woman brought a whole village because she believed Jesus was the Messiah
Repentance bears fruit.
John the Baptist, bring forth fruits meet for repentance.
Faith and repentance was a gift back then just as it is now. Jesus said "no one can come to me unless it is given unto him of the Father, and blessed are you Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but the Father revealed it to you.
Faith bears fruit WHILE we are growing and maturing. Not after we wait to mature a little
Repentance bears fruit WHILE we are growing and maturing. Not after we wait to mature a little.
Love bears fruit WHILE we are growing and maturing, not after we wait to mature a little
The Spirit bears fruit while we are growing and maturing, not after we wait to mature a little
Our testimony bears fruit WHILE we are growing and maturing. Not after we wait to mature a little. (even if the person is not converted, because our part is to give the message, God gives the increase.
Yep, Virginia. Our fruit bearing does not depend on how mature we are, it depends on the ministry of the Holy Spirit who activates our faith. UMMHMMMMM
I study words. It's the way I roll, and actually received 2 prophecies about this very thing. So who should I obey? You or Jesus?
Did you ask me a question? If so I didn't see it.
I haven't said anything about this here except for one person. I have limited time. My daughter was in a bad accident; hit by a police car that was full speed going to a call. Car totaled and her neck so badly injured that she has a plate now holding three vertebras. Then developed complications. I am caring for her.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear about you daughter stones, I will put you both on my prayer list.
I asked a simple question. It was about believers being deceived into the pit.
If faith resides on mans response then deception and belief matters.
If faith resides only on Gods work, then what people teach does not matter because they will only
effect the lost.
We are called to His people, and to share with those who are called to His purposes.
There is a reality.
Jesus's sheep listen to Him, and follow Him and obey Him. They love Him.
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:27
So if you love Jesus and follow Him Amen, welcome brother and sister in Christ.
Oh my friend you been through so much. Please know we will be praying for you and your daughter. You are strong woman stones. May our Lord continue to bless you in all His way; Jesus Christ.
As his faith is founded on a belief check box, fail the check box, fail salvation.
Bit of a problem if you have the wrong crib sheet ........ lol
