By works.
That's what he is conveying.
Works will be evident as a result of faith.
Not By Works
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That's what he is conveying.
Works will be evident as a result of faith.
Of course you can get it back.
God will never forsake you nor leave you.
Only YOU can leave GOD.
Does Jesus not look for the lost sheep?
Does the father of the Prodigal Son not take him back with open arms and a feast?
Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26 are totally different.
If you want to get into it, I'm willing...
But please be really interested...I've gone through this before.
Pharisees trust in works for salvation and not 100% in Jesus Christ. Faith is belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation. We need to trust 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation. We show our faith by our works, but we are not saved by works. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally. It’s not about do I have enough works it’s about am I trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.So if we don't trust in the Lord 100% we can be lost!!!!!!
Wow. YOU are the pharisee!
HOW MUCH trust do we need to be saved!!!!!
So now we need the right amount of:
FAITH
WORKS
TRUST
Uffa.
Maybe study more......Christ chose to lay his life down......
"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."
OK.
This is right....
If we have faith, we will also have works.
So do the opposite...
IF we DO NOT have works....then there is no faith.
What good is it if we say we have faith but do not do works?
It's a DEAD FAITH.
Faith produces works.
No works...no faith.
Right?
I pretty much agree with the above.Pharisees trust in works for salvation and not 100% in Jesus Christ. Faith is belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation. We need to trust 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation. We show our faith by our works, but we are not saved by works. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally. It’s not about do I have enough works it’s about am I trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
But there's such a fine line...
Here's what I'm trusting on for my salvation:
JESUS
MY OBEDIENCE TO WHAT HE TAUGHT.
I did explain it and the implication is there....and he is speaking to a mere belief in GOD not saving faith......your religion blinds you Fran
Do you ever study theology?
I'm really doubting it.
What if Jesus chose NOT to lay down His life?
Did Mary have a choice to become the mother of Jesus?
What if she had told Gabriel no?
COULD she have told Gabriel no?
These are deep theological questions Dcon.
And it would be nice if you stopped telling me don't know enough.
I dont' agree with you, but never have told you you don't know enough.
Do you know about the Royal Law?
The Golden Rule?
You must be as dense as lead Fran....sure it states what I just said....It is utterly amazing how dishonest you really are!
Abram believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness
Genesis 15:6
New International Version
Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
New Living Translation
And Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD counted him as righteous because of his faith.
English Standard Version
And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
Berean Study Bible
Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
King James Bible
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Christian Standard Bible
Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
Contemporary English Version
Abram believed the LORD, so the LORD was pleased with him and accepted him.
I don't care to hear about your implications.
I post scripture.
You said something that I KNEW
i havent seen you go through it. i want to know what you believe about hebrews 6:4-6 and hebrews 10:26.
OK MMD.
What happened to Ephesians 2:10
You always leave that out.
Oh. I know.
We work because we're saved...
not to get saved.
Seems to me everyone on this thread is a saved person..
so if we could stop saying that redundant sentence maybe we could actually move forward.
So we work because we're saved and because we love God.
Nice.
So when the N.T. speaks about doing good works/deeds ---
it's just making a request....
Jesus and the writers are REQUESTING us to do Christianly good works/deeds?
Mathew 25
Jesus was REQUESTING us to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and visit the sick, etc.
Talk about Jesus being a weak God as @dcontroversal always tell me is the Jesus I believe in.
No. The Jesus YOU and he are talking about is a weak Jesus.
He doesn't even know how to DEMAND OBEDIENCE.
CEO's know how to demand obedience!
Jesus is not even THAT strong!!!
You sure talk about me a lot...............I think deep down you know I teach the truth and you just want me to keep posting wisdom and truth so you can finally come out of the false religion that binds your hands......
I don't really care to hear about what YOU think is implicitly there.
I KNEW what you said was wrong and asked you for the verse.
You cannot post it because you ADDED to it.
Exegesis: do not ADD to scripture.
Instead of the above reply which means nothing to me...
you SHOULD HAVE posted the verse...
but you can't
can you?
No. Because you Added to it.
That's a no no.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH sure you have.........you have said it numerous times.....Fran, you remember the cake taker statement...well saying that you have never said that we or I don't know something is dangerously close to getting a cake taker statement
If we don't do it does not mean we do not love him.
Maybe because of a lack of faith or we yield to the flesh.
Do you believe that when Jesus said "if you love me you will be obedient" he was talking about 100% obedience or a heart that seeks that?
So you are trusting in your obedience/works to save you. You need to trust 100% in what He did for you to save you and not in what you do for Him.
P.S.
Jesus meant that He was willing to give up His life for us.
He loves us...He's God, right? God loves us.
What He meant was that He could have walked out of the Antonia Fortress if He wanted to.
IOW, He was taking the power away from Pontius Pilot.
Pilot thought he had power of the life of Jesus...
Jesus was showing him that he did not.
Is that enough study for you?
I did not add anything.......it is implied by the text and the comparison.....surely you are not that dense....when one makes a comparison between two objects it is not wrong to imply "LIKE A" wake up.......
Here's another out of context (as you call it) words of Jesus which I am sure will either be rejected or twisted by OSAS groupUsing scripture out if context is a huge problem it seems.
Actually it is those who do not know by faith they are eternally secure that will be shocked, because like cramming for exams you will not be sure if you quite studied enough.
Jesus is the author and finisher of the work so I have no worries.
...“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who REJECTS ME and DOES NOT ACCEPT MY WORDS; that very word which I spoke WILL CONDEMN HIM AT THE LAST DAY. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I KNOW THAT HIS COMMAND LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50
And Here's for RUNNING AHEAD without the BODY OF CHRIST towards what OSAS group call your PERSONAL SALVATION.
Jesus died on the cross so that the Holy Spirit can be in us to empower and enable us to meet the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law.
...For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS of the law might be FULLY MET IN US, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on WHAT THE SPIRIT DESIRES. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. IT DOES NOT SUBMIT TO GOD'S LAW, NOR CAN IT DO SO. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. Romans 8:3-8
If someone is being led by the Spirit, he will not say that works done by those who teaches obedience to God have no bearing unto salvation and that they are just filthy rags.
It is blasphemy to the Holy Spirit to call the works He is doing in a believer, the little ones who believe in Him, as filthy rags and has no bearing unto salvation. Those who teach obedience to God are led by the Spirit since no one without the Spirit will teach obedience to God because there is no Holy Spirit in them that is leading them to obey, and teach obedience to God, to other people.
Did the Lord Jesus Christ, the prophets, apostles, disciples and all the Holy men of God obey and teach obedience to God? YES
...If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26-29
DO NOT just listen and CLAIM and then BOAST THAT you are SAVED and others are not. Jesus will save His BODY who are eagerly awaiting a Savior from heaven. It is not a PERSONAL SALVATION but He will SAVE HIS BODY which is the Church.(Ephesians 5:23)
So if you are not IN HIM because you have RUN AHEAD and claimed victory without the Body of Christ, THINK IT OVER.
...ANYONE WHO RUNS AHEAD and does not continue in the teaching of Christ DOES NOT HAVE GOD; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:1-11
...Not that I have already obtained all this, or have ALREADY BEEN MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and STRAINING TOWARD WHAT IS AHEAD, I press on TOWARD THE GOAL to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward IN CHRIST JESUS. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too God will make clear to you. ONLY LET US LIVE UP TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY ATTAINED. Philippians 3:12-16
...These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that ONLY TOGETHER WITH US (A NEW CREATION ÌN CHRIST CREATED UNTO GOOD WORKS- Ephesians 2:10-22) would they be made perfect. Hebrews 11:39-40
ARE YOU IN THE BODY OF CHRIST? see Ephesians 5:23
...We know that we have come to know him IF WE OBEY his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6
Start WALKING and STOP TALKING.
...for the kingdom of God is NOT a matter of TALK but of POWER. 1 Corinthians 4:20
There you go again!
I'm talking about Genesis 12:1-4
And YOU insist on changing it to Genesis 15.
It suits you more, huh?
I like the whole bible...
I don't pick out only parts of it that I like.