Not By Works
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I believe in the Christ of the Bible G9, not the Pope.
Jesus said God's Sabbath was made for man, not the Popes sabbath. it's in your Bible.
Feeding poor people in Christ's name won't save you if you practice lawlessness. His Word's not mine.
My Lord Jesus, the risen Christ, is powerful enough to feed His people. He doesn't "need" me for anything. And a disobedient servant is good for nothing. Here is what the Christ said about those who practice "Lawlessness".
Matt. 13:
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Lawlessness)
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus tells us about "MANY" who call Him Lord, Lord who were gathered and are awaiting their turn in the fire.
"Lord, Lord, didn't we feed random poor people in your Name", you know the rest.
There were a lot of poor people in Christ's time, and His Father gave Him power to feed them all. But He didn't feed them all did He? There is a reason why Jesus just didn't feed all the poor people in His Time.
Feeding random poor people in His Name might look good to men, get you praise from man, make you feel good. But if you practice lawlessness the Christ doesn't know you, and your "work" of feeding random poor people is just another exercise in saving yourself by "your" righteous works.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to show me where LB used his own words over the Word of God where His Sabbath is concerned.
nope, neither should we promote such a thing
Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)
You really shouldn't work so hard to amend the meaning of word's by omitting the parts you don't like. Not men's words, it is dishonest, and not God's Words, it is blasphemy.
Man's Works can not save. The Word of God saves as my Savior declares.
John 6:
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? (Creating All things including His Commandments)
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
In your religion, are these not from the Word of God which became Flesh? Are these not Christ's Words. Shall I trust a religion which promotes "Disbelief" in the Christ who spoke these Word's?
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Pisteuo
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Faith and faithing , pistis and pisteuo , applied is " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender .
Starting the Salvation process , we fulfill pisteuo by only recieving the call to Christ , by the Father , answering the call . As we move forward in the process , part of the regenerated life is we are becoming less of us and more of Him . Our Faith and faithing increase ( the surrendered life ) as our relationship with Christ increases .
Christ was the first goer of Faith . We are to follow .
We must continually fulfill pisteuo , just like Jesus did in His Life .
that part -- showing Him love
do i do that by means of ritual inactivity?
do i do that by ceasing from my own works and doing His?
do i do that only once in a while - on some temporal schedule - or always?
either? both?
in spirit & in truth, i mean.
what's a shadow, and what's a reality?
in the realest reality, is there any shadow? i mean - does the light fully surround, or does it not shine on one side or another - because that's how shadows are, in this created universe.
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Pisteuo
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That is a wonderful point LB. We all claim Faith, but what Faith do we have? Did we create our own, or do we have "The Faith of Abraham".
Rom. 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
What a good point.
Thank you brother
Faith and faithing is defined as ,: an action , an act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence . Pisteuo is a verb . We fulfill hundreds of acts of faithing or pisteuo all day that have nothing to do with God , directly anyway .
The specific act of faithing that we have in relationship to the living God , is only who to surrender our lives to , God or ourselves and the world .
Every person ever born has spent their lives faithing either towards God pisteuo, or away from God , apisteuo , there are no exceptions
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eternally-gratefull
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God is spirit, he is niether male nor female. But the fact he is given a tile of he or she shows him to be a personal being.
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Pisteuo
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The false gospel is preaching or bearing witnesses to the mistranslatied words " believe , believer , and believing ."
Strongs : " pisteuo means NOT just to believe ."
When are you people going to get it through your heads ?
oh, did i misquote the verse?
did i even give an interpretation?
sometimes it seems like there is a lot of stuff in your head that doesn't happen to actually exist outside of it.
i think you should consider this: this here, click it please
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eternally-gratefull
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His opinion vs your opinion is that the way it is?
When he interpreted those passages literally. You inserted water where no water was found, And did not take the RULES of language correctly to come up with your view (or the people who taught you did not)
I will take literal interpretation of greek over personal opinion any day
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eternally-gratefull
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God also gave the requirments of the law
Keep every word. Or else
Unless you have never sinned
The law will condemn you, You are without hope.
Yet you still want to follow a law which condemns you. And act like ti will save you.
It is sad that people have been led astray as to what saves us, And want to be like the jews
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Pisteuo
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Amen. We have nothing to offer; it is all to be left at the cross. We can not even come to the cross in our power. For it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Wonderful point indeed my friend, would expect nothing less from HIM who is our all!
You've just defined Grace ! That is why it says Salvation is by Grace , " through Faith " . Through Faith applied , is through a continual surrendering of our lives to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . He doesn't choose to do this for us , He wants those who chose to follow Him in Faith and faithing .
God calls things which are not as though they are. ((Romans 4:17))
He dwells in eternity. ((Isaiah 57:15))
our life is hid in Him. ((Colossians 3:3))
if we believe, then in taming our tongues, shouldn't we speak of His works the way He speaks of them?
as you really are
(1 Corinthians 5:7)
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eternally-gratefull
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Ok sis, there has to come a time where you have to stop beng nice and call something for what it is
You are in here peddling your view is right, Everyone else is wrong
Your pushing how good you are and how Y(UR righteousness will in the end save you as long as YOU continue to do good.
And you call someone who relyus solely on the work of God self righteous.
Sadly, as with many of the jewish roots people who come in here doing the same thing, You do not understand Gods righteousness, let alone what it looks like to be self righteous. Just like the pharisee who thought he was righteous, because according to the law he was a righteous person. You too have watered down the law to your own level so you appear to be righteous. When as you stand the law would condemn you on the spot.
I pray you soften your heart and come to real study, and see how you have been misled. For i fear for your very eternal soul
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eternally-gratefull
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Vines Expository Dictionary (noeo.net)
The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Cor. 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17,20,21."
The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thess. 2:11,12; (2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Cor. 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17,20,21."