Not By Works

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Magenta said:
I see you joined CC very shortly after I took a two and a half month hiatus:DWelcome to CC!

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Thanks magenta..glad to see you back on ;)
 
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Seohce said:
OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)



SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)



OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:



Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.



JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.



THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)



WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?



WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)



IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?



JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.



Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.



Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?



GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )



Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?



John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.



2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.



DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)



NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?



Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.



ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?



DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?



Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.



James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)
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Im just glad im secure in my salvation even if youre not...
 
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Jewel5712 said:
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION ALREADY OR I WILL FOR YOU!
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My turn to ask you two questions, and I want a straight answer:

Do you Believe that Works are Part of Salvation, thus you are not saved until After a sufficient number of works?

Or, do you believe you are saved as a Gift of GOD, totally apart from Works, and thus Works come AFTER SALVATION, and therefore works are Part of GOD's LOVE poured into your Heart (Rom. 5:5) the Day you genuinely Believed, receiving Him as LORD meaning Master?

A simple yes or no will do on both Questions.
 
BibleStudent100 said:
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Works are a means of demonstrating the genuineness of our faith and our love. If we do not obey God we do not really love him or have faith in the rightness of his ways. (1 John 5:3, 4) But we cannot earn salvation no matter what works we do. Eternal life is a gift from God through Jesus Christ, not payment for our works.—Ephesians 2:8, 9.
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Amen, brief, and it was directly to the Point.
 
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VCO said:
My turn to ask you two questions, and I want a straight answer:

Do you Believe that Works are Part of Salvation, thus you are not saved until After a sufficient number of works?

Or, do you believe you are saved as a Gift of GOD, totally apart from Works, and thus Works come AFTER SALVATION, and therefore works are Part of GOD's LOVE poured into your Heart (Rom. 5:5) the Day you genuinely Believed, receiving Him as LORD meaning Master?

A simple yes or no will do on both Questions.
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I believe works come AFTER the point of salvation and have n BEARING on if you have or can KEEP your salvation..

I vote #2

And as you can see..i had an original "agreement" with biblestudystudent on his/her post

Still waiting on MY answers...
 
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VCO said:
My turn to ask you two questions, and I want a straight answer:

Do you Believe that Works are Part of Salvation, thus you are not saved until After a sufficient number of works?

Or, do you believe you are saved as a Gift of GOD, totally apart from Works, and thus Works come AFTER SALVATION, and therefore works are Part of GOD's LOVE poured into your Heart (Rom. 5:5) the Day you genuinely Believed, receiving Him as LORD meaning Master?

A simple yes or no will do on both Questions.
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Im not sure if my girl Magenta is still online...
 
The Faith of the Centurion

5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But JUST SAY THE WORD., and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

IS THIS THE KIND OF FAITH THiS “WALKING DEAD” THEOLOGY TEACHES?

DO THEY ACKNOWLEDGE AUTHORITY WHENEVER THEY SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NEVER A PART OF SALVATION?

romans 13
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

...DO THEY SAY TO GOD, “JUST SAY THE WORD…?

NO! THEY WOULD REJECT THE WORD AND BELIEVE RATHER ON FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

THE LORD JESUS SAID;

matthew 19
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

john 14
15 “If you love me, keep my commands

luke 6
46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

john 12
47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
 
VCO said:
My turn to ask you two questions, and I want a straight answer:

Do you Believe that Works are Part of Salvation , thus you are not saved until After a sufficient number of works?

Or, do you believe you are saved as a Gift of GOD, totally apart from Works, and thus Works come AFTER SALVATION, and therefore the Day you genuinely Believed, receiving Him as LORD meaning Master?

A simple yes or no will do on both Questions.
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Hi VCO, good questions. Most will know my answers but I will state them any way.

Questions:
#1, Do you Believe that Works are Part of Salvation - "No" I do not believe works are a part of Salvation. The bible tells me I was dead in my trespasses and sins, a dead man has no ability to do anything. Also I believe God gave me the ability to believe, belief is a gift from God as well. I am a Monergist through and through, a Christian can thank God for everything they have including our eternal salvation.

Our position in Christ is "Justified" before God, works come after we are saved which is our "practice" our daily walk with Jesus.

1Corinthians4:7
For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? I thought I was a pretty cool guy until the bible told me different. My straight answer is, "No"

Epheasians2:1
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,"

#2, works are Part of GOD's LOVE poured into your Heart (Rom. 5:5). My answer is "Yes", Romans5:1,2 was my memory verse that I recited at my baptism, I never can forget that moment.

Romans5:1,2
1) Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2) through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

God bless!
 
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