M...,
We must repent to our G-d and Creator .......then we accept Christ when we are baptized.
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M...,
We must repent to our G-d and Creator .......then we accept Christ when we are baptized.
Hello Eternally grateful,
Do you believe God alone will make you into this glorified creature totally free from sin
without your participation? If you can be an impure fallen sinner still struggling through
life and not victorious, and God can make you into a beautiful perfect child of heaven,
1. Why does He not do this now as a witness of His power to others today?
2. Why does He not do this to everyone in the world as being a sinner is no restriction?
It is a similar idea that if God showed Himself as the creator, all would then believe in
Jesus. Just look at Israel to see what happens when God shows himself to people, they
mainly do not care.
So I think your proposal is self defeating.
And if God can just make sinners into children of heaven, why have the gospel at all,
and all its warnings and teachings, because there is nothing to learn or know, it just
happens.
Unfortunately you cannot paint out behavior and responsibility from being a follower
of Jesus. You do have a choice, you are given one everyday of your life.
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
The tax collector got on his knees and accepted Christ, (like most people) One does not have to do a deed to accpet christ, they just have to do it.
It is your proposal. You create false scenarios then shoot them down.
Your next user name should be straw man.
Amen! We accept Christ through faith and baptism signifies that we have accepted Christ through faith, but baptism is not the cause of accepting Christ.
This made me think of something. Some believer seem to have missed what
walking with Jesus is. It is a life changing experience where ones thoughts, ideas, transactions
change.
So one is not working to prove something or to face judgement, one is alive and breathing
in the very fellowship with the living God. And through this we change, we grow, we experience
life and love in unique ways and can share and love those we meet, where once we would have
felt on the outside, now we greet people in love and truth.
It is difficult to grasp, but the Lord is molding us to His will through His word and His Spirit,
Amen. And to those brothers and sisters in Christ who are here, Amen, Praise the Lord that
He has not left us alone.
In your previous post (#56582), you called this a self defeating scenario
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
Yes, It is called the resurrection, and being clothed in robes of righteousness,
Can you remove your penalty of sin by good deeds, and resurrect yourself?
I just said a child of God does not walk through life an impure sinner and struggling through life, His victory is in Christ. So why would you ask me such a question?
Do what? Glorify believers? because they have not been resurrected yet, He is still in the process of sanctifying them (yes, this takes us letting go of self, and allowing God to work in and through us But it is still God doing the work)
Why does he not glorify everyone? According to the word, because not everyone believes, He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already.
why do you think you can will yourself, or even try to work yourself into a state of glorification? When the bible says flat out. we can not.
Not sure what this has to do with what I said, I agree, Jesus came to his own and his own received him not.. But what this has to do with the ability of a person to glorify themselves. I do not understand.
I think you do not understand what I said, I did not make a proposal by the way, I stated what the bible says, Your argument is with God not me,
again
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
open your eyes
1. It does not say people who are sanctifying themselves
2. it does not say anyone is glorified by their works
3. it does not say anyone is perfected by themselves
so why do you keep insisting it is impossible or required we do this ourselves?
God will not force anyone against their will. The gospel is there so those who CHOSE can recieve christ, BECOME a child of God, and THEN allow God to make sinners into children of heaven.
Again I ask, Why do you think YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF? why do you DENY THE CROSS?
You have a choice your right,
1. Believe in the name of Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household
2. reject Jesus, and you will REMAIN condemned,
3. try to work and save yourself. Then just like the jews who tried to be justified by law, you will be rejected oin judgment day, Because you rejected Jesus.
e...,
That is not scriptural;
He got on his knees didn't he?...we must repent..right?..isn't that doing something. Hello.
If it was as simple as just deciding to never have anger in my heart (murder), and so never having it, if that was just a choice, Jesus would not have shed His blood. He would have just said, make the choice to never have anger in your heart.
Repent and believe is doing something, but not a work, as in being baptized.
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
it is not baptizing, so your point is still proven in error
and not everyone gets on their knees, I received Christ sitting in my chair, when I asked God to have mercy on me a sinner, did I not go home justified, or did I need to get on my knees or wait until I could be baptised (and hope I did not die before that was able to occur?
Thank you EG, and you are welcome
My goodness, it just becomes so obvious after a while.
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
is it me, are is someone confused, and does not know what he believes, because he says one thing one minute, then a few minutes later totally contradicts himself and says another. (or is he just here to argue, and because of that, he does not realize all the times he contradicts himself)
in the first message, He says god molds us
in the second, he asks me if I really believe God can do it and states this since I do, I have a self defeating proposal... He said if God could do it. why does he not do it?
It is quite disturbing actually, to realize that these people come here preaching their sinless perfectionism while they go around constantly slandering others and breaking the very commandments they say will keep OTHERS out of the kingdom of God, as if the things they say never apply to themselves. Their hypocrisy is mind boggling, and not only that, they make it plain they do not even see themselves, by saying such things as they judge nobody, while they go around condemning and judging others constantly. Do I judge people? You bet your sweet bippy I do! A spiritual person is SUPPOSED to (it is called discernment) , and I do not pretend I do not.
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NoNameMcgee
Guest
the belief born again believers can lose or reclaim their salvation based on what they do should be called
"flimsy grace theology"
from the church of "do it yourself"
"flimsy grace theology"
from the church of "do it yourself"
Amen! Those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Repent and believe are inseparable in receiving salvation. Where you have one, you must have the other. Two sides to the same coin.
Now believing is clearly not a work that merits our salvation. Through believing, we are completely trusting in "Another's work," (Christ's finished work of redemption). Repenting is not a work that merits our salvation either. We must first repent "change our mind" before we can believe (trust in Christ's finished work of redemption) to save us. Through repentance/faith, Christ is still the OBJECT of our complete trust in receiving salvation.
Baptism is a work of righteousness (see Matthew 3:13-15; Titus 3:5) which follows saving faith in Christ (Acts 10:43-47) and if it's absolutely necessary for salvation, then that would add merit on our part for receiving salvation because then we would be saved through faith based on the merits of Christ's finished work of redemption "plus the work of being baptized."
I see it that way too 
I wondered how anyone could separate them.Amen Dan
Much love to you!