Not By Works

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benhur said:
OK can I say this, we are saved unto good works, which would in a sense be a sign that we have been saved.
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That is what Ephesians 2 states........but before we jump the gun....

A. All who have exercised faith have done the works of the Heavenly Father according to JESUS
b. The saved may or may not produce fruit and it will be based upon what ground the word has been sown in
c. The saved will have every flavor of work to be found....some good, some not so good
d. Regardless of the above...works do not save, keep saved, finish off salvation or embellish salvation in any way, shape or form.
e. Salvation is based entirely upon faith, it is eternal, cannot be lost or forfeit and is based upon the promises, power, faith, strength, and work of Christ.
 
LoveGodForever said:
CHILDREN OF GOD AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL WHO ARE THEY?

1 JOHN 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, WHOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: whoever SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM, NEITHER KNOWS HIM.
7, Little children, LET KNOW ONE DECEIVE YOU: he that DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, even as he is righteous.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brothers, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death.
15, Whoever hates his brother is a MURDERER: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

No need to be in confusion here. God's Word makes it very clear who God's saints are.

Revelation 12: [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14: [12] HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus. Yep if you are still in your SINS you are not on God's side or do you know him.
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Just like any of the other 10 Commandments, God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. He who God sends speaks with words of God (John 3:34)
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No offence, but we are not bound to or under the law......Jesus ratified a New Covenant and the righteousness of Christ without the law is imputed unto ALL genuine believers by faith........and Mrs White's gospel does not make the cut.....nor does 7th day Adventist dogma........Jesus started his church....not some Johnny come lately woman..
 
BillG said:
Now you realise they you were not the expert you thought you were.

Now if we can get you off the munchies������
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Impossible with fast food places like McDonald's and Taco bell staying open pretty much 24/7 how can I stop with the munchies?
 
dcontroversal said:
No offence, but we are not bound to or under the law......Jesus ratified a New Covenant and the righteousness of Christ without the law is imputed unto ALL genuine believers by faith........and Mrs White's gospel does not make the cut.....nor does 7th day Adventist dogma........Jesus started his church....not some Johnny come lately woman..
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No offence taken; We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT or WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8).

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matt 7:12-23; Romans 6:23)

If your tree has no FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matthew 7:12-23).

SIN is the breaking of God's LAW (James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20).

All who CONTINUE in KNOWN SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-15)

He who God sends speaks the Words of God. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. Unbelivers will not enter into God's KINGDOM or those who practice SIN.

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Just like breaking any of the other 10 Commandments; God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
joefizz said:
Impossible with fast food places like McDonald's and Taco bell staying open pretty much 24/7 how can I stop with the munchies?
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Drink prune juice.
Try it warm first or neat.

Then eat McDonald's
That will help
 
Ever get the feeling that I don't need "1" thread for comedy and randomness,it just comes by me naturally!?
 
LoveGodForever said:
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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We should not believe you when you make up your own meanings of words.

Hint: REPENT does NOT mean follow. Here is the TRUE definition of the word "repent":

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Strong's Concordance

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

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Original Word: μετανοέω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: metanoeó

Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)

Short Definition: I repent, change my mind

Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

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LoveGodForever said:
No offence taken; We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT or WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8).

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matt 7:12-23; Romans 6:23)

If your tree has no FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matthew 7:12-23).

SIN is the breaking of God's LAW (James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20).

All who CONTINUE in KNOWN SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-15)

He who God sends speaks the Words of God. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. Unbelivers will not enter into God's KINGDOM or those who practice SIN.

...............

Just like breaking any of the other 10 Commandments; God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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Either Jesus paid for sin or he did not....my bible states clearly that by faith my sins are nailed to the cross in Christ and his righteousness without the law is put to my account.....it also states that God takes our sin, seals it up in a bag and removes it (JOB) it also states that our sins are placed as far as the East is from the West and he remembers them no more...the bible also states that when I see the blood I will pass over you.

No my Australian friend....My sins are no longer held against me in condemnation, and I have been placed IN CHRIST....I suggest a study of the Greek word translated IN.....

After one is born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED they are no longer CONDEMNED for their sin, but rather are dealt with as children and chastised when out of line.
 
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