Not By Works

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MichaelOwen said:
I'm reminded of a sermon I heard from an old preacher, who talked about works, and how the best works we can do while here on this Earth would still only be a stench unto the nostrils of the Lord because of our sinful nature, but through our mediator, which is Christ, we are made whole, a sweet smelling aroma.
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AMEN

well said
 
dcontroversal said:
Still lying I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP lying?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question?
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Here are your words.

Salvation is based upon FAITH alone.....there is not 1 WORK that saves a man, keeps a man saved, embellishes and or tops off salvation which is instantaneously and eternally given at the moment one exercises saving faith into the WORK OF CHRIST......wake up....this thread is not ABOUT fruit or works...it is about how one is BIBLICALLY saved......

You ignore that good works are the evidence of true faith. Therefore without good works that faith is dead as said by Jesus and James 2. You vehemently argued against this concept here.

Matthew 7

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
 
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Endoscopy said:
Here are your words.

Salvation is based upon FAITH alone.....there is not 1 WORK that saves a man, keeps a man saved, embellishes and or tops off salvation which is instantaneously and eternally given at the moment one exercises saving faith into the WORK OF CHRIST......wake up....this thread is not ABOUT fruit or works...it is about how one is BIBLICALLY saved......

You ignore that good works are the evidence of true faith. Therefore without good works that faith is dead as said by Jesus and James 2. You vehemently argued against this concept here.
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evidence before men..


this dead horse has been beaten for so long...

you just refuse the truth endo

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
 
posthuman said:

the context of James 2 is admonishing a group of people for showing partiality.
for treating a rich man better than a poor man.

that's the specifics 'break one part of the law and be guilty of all of it' ((in Leviticus 19 it says do not show partiality to the rich)) -- and when James says 'one of you will say, i have faith and you have works' -- guess who it is ((in the context)) that says that?
and guess who it is that would turn away a person starving and freezing to death ((the specific example of 'works' he uses)) with only words and no physical help?
would it be the person who thinks they need redemption or the person who doesn't?
who does Jesus talk about, neglecting the poor?
people who boasted of works, or people who boasted of faith?

who was rich in Jewish society?

we talking about a pharisee here? one who has become a believer?

if we are, would that pharisee believer be likely to feel justified by his works, or by his faith?

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lovely post...

posthuman
 
Endoscopy said:
Here are your words.

Salvation is based upon FAITH alone.....there is not 1 WORK that saves a man, keeps a man saved, embellishes and or tops off salvation which is instantaneously and eternally given at the moment one exercises saving faith into the WORK OF CHRIST......wake up....this thread is not ABOUT fruit or works...it is about how one is BIBLICALLY saved......

You ignore that good works are the evidence of true faith. Therefore without good works that faith is dead as said by Jesus and James 2. You vehemently argued against this concept here.

Matthew 7

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
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Stop it man, How can you sit there and claim to be a child of God when you lie like this?

Saying one is saved by faith alone does not mean they believe one can claim to have faith yet have no works. That is a lie. So stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Your making yourself look bad.

 
7777pinacled said:
Then you were lied to.

I still remember comforting odor in the air when my mother made bread.
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context 7


no matter how good her bread was
(and im sure she was a lovely woman and a fantastic baker)

it being a work... is not going to put any "points" towards salvation
 
NoNameMcgee said:
evidence before men..


this dead horse has been beaten for so long...

you just refuse the truth endo

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
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Argue this against this quote of Jesus.

Matthew 7

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

How many times do i have to post this quote of Jesus?
 
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Endoscopy said:
Argue this against this quote of Jesus.

Matthew 7

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

How many times do i have to post this quote of Jesus?
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Your fruit = lying openly and regularly....when are you going to apologize.....

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Originally Posted by dcontroversal No one has disputed that bro.....the bible is clear on the following truths

Paul-->Romans-->A man is justified (rendered innocent) before God by faith void of works
James-->James-->A man's invisible faith that justifies before God (void of works) is seen by men in our works

FAITH and FAITH alone saves eternally
FAITH that saves eternally will produce fruit/works....even if but one piece!
 
Endoscopy said:
Argue this against this quote of Jesus.

Matthew 7

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

How many times do i have to post this quote of Jesus?
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matt 7
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(His will that we believe on Jesus to be saved)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

(boasting of works)
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(NEVER were saved and will be judged according to their works because they do not have the imputed righteousness of Jesus)
 
Endoscopy said:
Here are your words.

Salvation is based upon FAITH alone.....there is not 1 WORK that saves a man, keeps a man saved, embellishes and or tops off salvation which is instantaneously and eternally given at the moment one exercises saving faith into the WORK OF CHRIST......wake up....this thread is not ABOUT fruit or works...it is about how one is BIBLICALLY saved......

You ignore that good works are the evidence of true faith. Therefore without good works that faith is dead as said by Jesus and James 2. You vehemently argued against this concept here.
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Still lying I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP lying?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question?
 
Endoscopy said:
Argue this against this quote of Jesus.

Matthew 7

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

How many times do i have to post this quote of Jesus?
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You can post it till your dead and it will not change anything.

Jesus spoke of False teachers who did not produce fruit. And we all would agree, A person who CLAIMS to have faith, but has no work is not saved.. We never claimed they were.

However, that doe snot matter, that is not context of what is being spoken of (the post you responded to)

NNM is talking about people who are religion. Look n ice and clean on the outside. But inside are dark, because they have never been saved.

Try sticking to context and understand what people are trying to say. And MAYBE you will stop making these mistake.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
matt 7
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(His will that we believe on Jesus to be saved)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

(boasting of works)
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(NEVER were saved and will be judged according to their works because they do not have the imputed righteousness of Jesus)
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How does this refute what Jesus said. We are to recognize people by their fruit (works).

Matthew 7


True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
You can post it till your dead and it will not change anything.

Jesus spoke of False teachers who did not produce fruit. And we all would agree, A person who CLAIMS to have faith, but has no work is not saved.. We never claimed they were.

However, that doe snot matter, that is not context of what is being spoken of (the post you responded to)

NNM is talking about people who are religion. Look n ice and clean on the outside. But inside are dark, because they have never been saved.

Try sticking to context and understand what people are trying to say. And MAYBE you will stop making these mistake.
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How many times have I posted in this thread that saving faith will bear fruit or works and yet he still states OPENLY that I have not said that.....yet he refuses to apology for being deceptive about me and what I have said.....

and he refuses to answer three or four simple questions......

HEY ENDOSCOPY still waiting for the following simple questions to be answered...WHY WON"T YOU ANSWER>>>>>

Still lying I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP lying?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question?
 
NoNameMcgee said:
well when i was in this specific error...

it didnt even take me a week to start attacking you

praise God for opening my eyes

without Him im sure id be much worse than these who attack you today
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Amen NNM...It is such a beautiful thing to see a man of God admit his way was wrong and shout it out from the rooftops for all to see , now that is the BEA~UTI~FUL fruit of the Holy Spirit , shining out of you for all to see...:)..And I know I can praise you because I have seen it in the bible that others can edify each other , admitting you were in error , and now you can sing " I once was lost , but now I am found , was BLIND , but now I see "...Praise God \:)/...xox...
 
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