Not By Works

[Magenta]

 

[Speak2Me]

Do you want to? Has not your ego been crucified?

It's easy for the blind to miss the point.

If all the Law is done away with, so are those sins. That basically means we can run after our lusts & it's alright.

 

[Speak2Me]

Thanks for responding.

So your issue is future sins with no need to repent or confess.

So really your issues are with Hypergrace theology.

I need to talk with my people's???????

Such people are my brother/sister in Jesus. What about me to you?

When Jesus died on the cross whose sins were forgiven.
Did he not die for the the sins he knew you would commit and will commit?

For me when a person comes to Jesus and repent of the sin of unbelief then we also repent of our lifestyle.
In doing so we are saying "This is what I was and this is what I want"

To be like you Jesus.

So when we get it wrong we confess not in order to be forgiven.
It's relational.

Yes I totally agree that we need to confess our sins, not to be forgiven but to restore relationship with our Father.

What about your people's?

What's your thoughts?

I see you believe your future sins are forgiven, a major belief in hypergrace/freegrace.

I remember the old OSAS. They believed you had to confess, repent & be forgiven.

Nuff said.

 

[Magenta]

I see you believe your future sins are forgiven, a major belief in hypergrace/freegrace.

I remember the old OSAS. They believed you had to confess, repent & be forgiven.

Nuff said.

It seems you believe you have to be saved all over again every time you sin.​

Bill said,

Yes I totally agree that we need to confess our sins,
not to be forgiven but to restore relationship with our Father.

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[Speak2Me]

Christians go to heaven: non-Christians (unbelievers) go to hell.

So if a Christian bears false witness it is forgiven.

Only if we repent.

But if an unbeliever bears false witness it is not forgiven.

This isn't about unbelievers. Your post is confusing, to say the least.

 

[Speak2Me]

It seems you believe you have to be saved all over again every time you sin.​

Bill said,

Yes I totally agree that we need to confess our sins,
not to be forgiven but to restore relationship with our Father.

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AS USUAL, you're putting a spin on my post. I didn't say that, you did.

 

[Magenta]

Only if we repent.

This isn't about unbelievers. Your post is confusing, to say the least.

It did not confuse me I guess you do not understand the part about there being no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. I posted a graphic with Scripture at the top of this page. Perhaps you could read it. That seemed to me to be the obvious point Chester was making.

 

[Magenta]

AS USUAL, you're putting a spin on my post. I didn't say that, you did.

As USUAL? Please give examples.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I suppose it comes down whether we should confess in order to be forgiven or to restore relationship.

Why not both?

Or whether John was addressing the Gnostics that worked their doctrine into the church.

No John was addressing GENUINE CHRISTIANS -- "my little children" and the rest of this epistle bears this out.

 

[stillness]

It seems you believe you have to be saved all over again every time you sin.​

Bill said,

Yes I totally agree that we need to confess our sins,
not to be forgiven but to restore relationship with our Father.

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We use language differently and understand differently and we are not to lean on our understanding. In some peoples language like mine, salvation is a verb that is ongoing and so is being washed. Jesus said only our feet need to be washed: because we don't yet walk as Jesus walked. Does it mean my feet are still being saved, I would say yes in my language, at least until I have the message of peace firmly on my feet. The only time I saw my feet was in a dream about 15 years ago they had no sandals and were scraped and bleeding a bit. Also to make matters worse in understanding interpretation of parables feet represents us: the message of peace on our feet as we walk as Jesus walked, "How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of Him who brings good news, proclaiming peace announcing new of renewal." The good thing about having different views is accepting limitation in our view and continue learning to walk in Love. The good thing about salvation being ongoing is it makes room for a better view, "For we are saved if we hold the beginning od our confidence firmly until the end." Refers to those who receive a crown of salvation," Not all will rule with Christ, the rest of the dead are not raised until the 1000 years are fulfilled. "Some will lose their reward but will be saved as through fire."

 

[Magenta]

We use language differently and understand differently and we are not to lean on our understanding. In some peoples language like mine, salvation is a verb that is ongoing and so is being washed. Jesus said only our feet need to be washed: because we don't yet walk as Jesus walked. Does it mean my feet are still being saved, I would say yes in my language, at least until I have the message of peace firmly on my feet. The only time I saw my feet was in a dream about 15 years ago they had no sandals and were scraped and bleeding a bit. Also to make matters worse in understanding interpretation of parables feet represents us: the message of peace on our feet as we walk as Jesus walked, "How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of Him who brings good news, proclaiming peace announcing new of renewal." The good thing about having different views is accepting limitation in our view and continue learning to walk in Love. The good thing about salvation being ongoing is it makes room for a better view, "For we are saved if we hold the beginning od our confidence firmly until the end." Refers to those who receive a crown of salvation," Not all will rule with Christ, the rest of the dead are not raised until the 1000 years are fulfilled. "Some will lose their reward but will be saved as through fire."

Do you think someone is walking in love when they tell blatant lies?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why would a Christian bear false witness? Or Steal?

Ask a lot of people in here who do it all the time. Are they christian

 

[Ralph-]

Repentance leads to salvation.
Repentance of the sin of unbelief in Jesus.

John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

What to you is repentance after salvation?

I've noticed many people believe that repentance is limited to what you think. You know, a change of mind. As we can see, though, to repent also means to change your behavior.

"repent and do the deeds you did at first"-Revelation 2:5

People are quick to limit repentance to only what's going on in their head, not in their behavior. I can see how that would come in handy to rationalize sinful behaviors. I'm not saying you are doing that. Just engaging some discussion here.

 

[Ralph-]

You ever asked a person who has not been baptised why not?

Yes, I have asked.
The answers vary.

The response generally
"I'm not good enough, I'm a sinner"

Never had anybody say that was the reason.
If it was they didn't tell me.

If it were up to me if anyone confessed Jesus as Lord I would take them out and baptise them straight away.
Whether it be in the sea a river or their bath.

Me too. That's what I believe. As someone pointed out in a thread, that's what the practice was in Acts.

Baptism does not save but to me it's a spiritual marker in one's life.

It's the bold, public confession of your new found faith in Christ. It's important to do it right away and in a sense close the door to the world behind you.

Not making a public confession of faith is like going on a diet nobody knows you're on. If you know what I mean. Until you make some kind of a public pledge of a good conscience toward God in a public water baptism it'll be easy to not do right when temptation comes along because nobody knows you've decided to be a Christian.

 

[Magenta]

I've noticed many people believe that repentance is limited to what you think. You know, a change of mind. As we can see, though, to repent also means to change your behavior.

"repent and do the deeds you did at first"-Revelation 2:5

People are quick to limit repentance to only what's going on in their head, not in their behavior. I can see how that would come in handy to rationalize sinful behaviors. I'm not saying you are doing that. Just engaging some discussion here.

To do the things we did at first. What does that mean to you? To me, it means to be on fire for the Lord, to be so consumed with my hungering and thirsting after Him that all else falls by the wayside: the world is but background noise. It is not just behavior, but an attitude of the heart. One could never be said to be lukewarm in such a state. Our behaviors come from the heart. I have not met anyone who says it is just changing your mind, but that is the definition of the word, which carries much more weight than you seem to want to give it in relation to others. A change in mind toward our former rebellion against God goes to the heart of the person.

 

[Ralph-]

To do the things we did at first. What does that mean to you?

For me, it's the risks I used to take for the gospel.

 

[preacher4truth]

People are quick to limit repentance to only what's going on in their head, not in their behavior.

Is this why you continually misrepresent what people say, avoid conceding to what they've really said, and why you just plain make up things they've never said?

Just wondering. You do this daily. You're called on it more than daily.

When will you repent?

 

[Ralph-]

Now here's the problem, that Lucy struggles with and so many struggle with given the following.

WORKS BASED THEOLOGY, YOU BETTER BE DOING IN ORDER TO PROVE TO GOD (Not man) BUT GOD IN ORDER TO BE SAVED.
And if your not doing when God comes back your toast.

That's what Jesus taught, and we know Jesus did not teach a works based theology.

He did not seem to be too afraid of being politically correct and avoid telling people like it actually was. He used what we would consider some very not PC language when describing the doom and destruction of those who do not put his words into practice.

That's not a works gospel because we know that we put his works into practice because we are saved and have His Holy Spirit inside of us. It's a works gospel when we try to put his words into practice in order to earn our own salvation. The point is, the issue is not the works. It's HOW and WHY you are fulfilling those works. That's what determines if you believe a works gospel or the true gospel. Works in and of themselves do not constitute trying to save yourself, but you'd sure get that impression from reading some of the posts around here. I don't know how a person who actually has works of the Spirit in their life would think that anyway.

Whilst you are not being PC, maybe try a loving approach.
Maybe you could have asked her questions as to what she posted and why.
Just a simple question like "Why do you think you have no works, what are works to you?

Read what I wrote. I did that.
But it's not important now because apparently she was just trolling.

Rather than assuming that people who say works do not save, they are saying its an excuse to sin.
Furthermore listen to what they say when they tell you "Grace is not an excuse to sin"
You seem to ignore that when they tell you that.

Hang around. I will show you as opportunity presents itself that much of the theology being pushed here is actually a thinly disguised 'grace is a license to sin' belief. I'm not the only one that sees it. Watch me and budman's discussion especially.

 

[Ralph-]

Is this why you continually misrepresent what people say, avoid conceding to what they've really said, and why you just plain make up things they've never said?

Just wondering. You do this daily. You're called on it more than daily.

When will you repent?

Thank you for your opinion. Just don't harass me about what you are sure I do because I will continue to report you for doing it.

 

[Ralph-]

You forget that God views His own through the finished work of His Son. Which makes me wonder why you do not keep His Word? He says plainly we will walk by His promises. He finishes what He starts. Here or there, it will be finished.

Once saved always saved is often used as the license for people to think that even though they are 'living in' the sins of Galatians 5:19-21 they will still inherit the kingdom despite the plain fact that the passage says they will not.

If you are still 'living in' the sins of Galatians 5:19-21 and other passages, God has probably not started the work in you that you think he has. Don't beat up the messenger. Take it to Jesus. Sort it out with Him.