Not By Works

[BillG]

Did you catch them talking outta both sides of their mouth again?

It happens all the time.

Remember they said that God chastens us? Then on the other hand say there's no repentance after salvation.

So, God chastens us to do... nothing?

This happens all the time, so you'd be better off catching them in their double standards than their theology.

Go after their attitudes & motives, because those are obviously wrong.

Who says there is no repentance after salvation?

Repentance leads to salvation.
Repentance of the sin of unbelief in Jesus.

John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

What to you is repentance after salvation?

What's the attitude and motives that are wrong?

Does not God chasten his kids?

 

[stonesoffire]

Not sure what your trying to get at sis.

My whole point about Ralph is that over and over again, he twists and turns what people says, and continues to use this in order to try to prove his point, I have had him on ignore for weeks now. Yet day after day I see you, and many others telling him to stop twisting what people say and saying things which are not true.


As for worshiping our works, I agree, anytime we judge others. Whether it be their sin or lack of works, we are boasting of our works, and putting them below us, which is what religion does, Insteads of giving credit to God, it takes credit for self.

Ralph says he will continue to post whether we answer or not EG. Then the Word remains darkness. No light given to shine brightly through works unless they are through empowerment of Holy Spirit.

 

[Magenta]

Thanks! When in doubt, ask Magenta!

You are welcome The abbreviations came into vogue with the proliferation of online chatting. Some young people cannot seem to type out full words any more But, it is understandable that certain phrases were shortened to the acronym. Like, ikr? (I know, right?) Certain phrases were employed so frequently in messaging that they were shortened to save time by not having to type the same thing over and over again.

 

[Speak2Me]

Ridiculous. For one thing, the law is completely done away with. It was nailed to the cross and has no hold over us. The law drives one to the cross and no further - end of story. You are trying to spiritualize Paul's confession as a means to explain away the fact he himself said he is (not was) the chief of sinners, and does (not did) the evil he doesn't wish to do. You gloss over the two natures in an effort to push your works-based salvation heresy.

The Law has completely been done away with? Really? I can commit adultery now? I can steal now? I can bear false witness now?

Another double standard.

 

[stonesoffire]

You are welcome The abbreviations came into vogue with the proliferation of online chatting. Some young people cannot seem to type out full words any more But, it is understandable that certain phrases were shortened to the acronym. Like, ikr? (I know, right?) Certain phrases were employed so frequently in messaging that they were shortened to save time by not having to type the same thing over and over again.

Those young f....s, short a full l..d

Try and figure it out. post in code though, for m.d r.....s Lol

no bad words there btw.

 

[Speak2Me]

Who says there is no repentance after salvation?

Repentance leads to salvation.
Repentance of the sin of unbelief in Jesus.

John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

What to you is repentance after salvation?

What's the attitude and motives that are wrong?

Does not God chasten his kids?

Obviously you need to talk to some of your peoples, cause some of them don't believe in confession of sins or true repentance after conversion. They say Jesus forgave them for all their future sins, so there's no need for repentance or confession of sin.

 

[Magenta]

The Law has completely been done away with? Really? I can commit adultery now? I can steal now? I can bear false witness now?

Another double standard.

Do you believe that if a Christian bears false witness, they will not attain life ever after?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ralph says he will continue to post whether we answer or not EG. Then the Word remains darkness. No light given to shine brightly through works unless they are through empowerment of Holy Spirit.

That will only go so long, when you post and no one responds. You eventually give up.

 

[Studyman]

Do you believe that if a Christian bears false witness, they will not attain life ever after?

Why would a Christian bear false witness? Or Steal?

 

[Magenta]

Why would a Christian bear false witness?

What world do you live in? Just earlier this week NBW had a self-proclaimed prophet saying that there were many in this thread who were devoid of good works, while at the same time taking another poster to task for saying something about the people in this thread because, according to this self-proclaimed prophet, she had no way of knowing what was true for others. Now there's a double standard

 

[stonesoffire]

The Law has completely been done away with? Really? I can commit adultery now? I can steal now? I can bear false witness now?

Another double standard.

2Co 3:5 By ourselves we are not qualified to claim that anything comes from us. Rather, our credentials come from God,


2Co 3:6 who has also qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, which is not written but spiritual, because the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.


2Co 3:7 Now if the ministry of death that was inscribed in letters of stone came with such glory that the people of Israel could not gaze on Moses' face (because the glory was fading away from it),


2Co 3:8 will not the Spirit's ministry have even more glory?


2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, then the ministry of justification has an overwhelming glory.


2Co 3:10 In fact, that which once had glory lost its glory, because the other glory surpassed it.


2Co 3:11 For if that which fades away came through glory, how much more does that which is permanent have glory.

 

[Studyman]

What world do you live in? Just earlier this week NBW had a self-proclaimed prophet saying that there were many in this thread who were devoid of good works, while at the same time taking another poster to task for saying something about the people in this thread because, according to this self-proclaimed prophet, she had no way of knowing what was true for others. Now there's a double standard

I just asked a question. Assuming a person is truly a Christian, why would they bear false witness or steal from someone? Not sure who you are talking about here, I wasn't addressing any specific person, just wondered.

 

[stonesoffire]

The Law has completely been done away with? Really? I can commit adultery now? I can steal now? I can bear false witness now?

Another double standard.

Do you want to? Has not your ego been crucified?

 

[Magenta]

I just asked a question. Assuming a person is truly a Christian, why would they bear false witness or steal from someone? Not sure who you are talking about here, I wasn't addressing any specific person, just wondered.

Just asking a question? For what purpose? Hmmm. Well, you have been here for three months and made close to nine hundred posts. Have you not in that time had anyone bear false witness against you? Or seen anyone doing such to another? And if so, could you make any guesses as to why?

 

[BillG]

Obviously you need to talk to some of your peoples, cause some of them don't believe in confession of sins or true repentance after conversion. They say Jesus forgave them for all their future sins, so there's no need for repentance or confession of sin.

Thanks for responding.

So your issue is future sins with no need to repent or confess.

So really your issues are with Hypergrace theology.

I need to talk with my people's???????

Such people are my brother/sister in Jesus. What about me to you?

When Jesus died on the cross whose sins were forgiven.
Did he not die for the the sins he knew you would commit and will commit?

For me when a person comes to Jesus and repent of the sin of unbelief then we also repent of our lifestyle.
In doing so we are saying "This is what I was and this is what I want"

To be like you Jesus.

So when we get it wrong we confess not in order to be forgiven.
It's relational.

Yes I totally agree that we need to confess our sins, not to be forgiven but to restore relationship with our Father.

What about your people's?

What's your thoughts?

 

[Studyman]

Just asking a question? For what purpose? Hmmm. Well, you have been here for three months and made close to nine hundred posts. Have you not in that time had anyone bear false witness against you? Or seen anyone doing such to another? And if so, could you make any guesses as to why?

People post their belief here. Yes I have seen many miss-represent scriptures, and miss-represent what others say, but very few times have I seen what was intentional deception or purposefully trying to defraud another. It has happened in my opinion, where a couple of folks try to defraud someone, but most of the time people are just expressing their beliefs. Someone who believes a lie (deceived) and shares it is different than someone who knows a lie(deceiver) and shares it.

I just found your question interesting.

You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So when we get it wrong we confess not in order to be forgiven.

The "not" should be omitted (unless it was inserted by accident). Here's what Scripture says:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9).

And clearly the Hyper-Grace teaching on this matter has no foundation in Scripture.

 

[Chester]

Do you believe that if a Christian bears false witness, they will not attain life ever after?

Christians go to heaven: non-Christians (unbelievers) go to hell.

So if a Christian bears false witness it is forgiven. But if an unbeliever bears false witness it is not forgiven.

 

[BillG]

The "not" should be omitted (unless it was inserted by accident). Here's what Scripture says:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9).

And clearly the Hyper-Grace teaching on this matter has no foundation in Scripture.

I suppose it comes down whether we should confess in order to be forgiven or to restore relationship.

Or whether John was addressing the Gnostics that worked their doctrine into the church.

Just so you know I'm not HG.

What's your thoughts?

For me I fess up when I get it wrong.

Night night time for me. God bless you.
Bill

 

[Magenta]

People post their belief here. Yes I have seen many miss-represent scriptures, and miss-represent what others say, but very few times have I seen what was intentional deception or purposefully trying to defraud another. It has happened in my opinion, where a couple of folks try to defraud someone, but most of the time people are just expressing their beliefs. Someone who believes a lie (deceived) and shares it is different than someone who knows a lie(deceiver) and shares it.

I just found your question interesting.

You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Did you see that my question was aimed at another? Did you notice the attitude of the other? If nobody has deliberately slandered you by posting their vain imaginations pulled out of their nether regions, and placing them on the boards for all to see as if their paranoid delusions were facts, then perhaps you have been fortunate No doubt such people believe the lies they tell, which just goes to show how deceived they are. I think we both know very well many of the reasons why people lie. Will they lose the promise of life ever after if they do?